Court Stops Arizona Law\ California Vindicated (Los Angeles, Santa Barbara: buses, farm, racism)

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

Paramedics and Forest Service Fighters make about 15 bucks an hour, and guess what, that is the average field worker

20-30 bucks an hour?

a farmworker paid for piecework can make 25- 30 an hour

[Brenda-by-the-sea]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

Source?

Undocumented - illegal immigration in NYC

“The truth is that employers actually prefer undocumented workers because they are more afraid to speak up on the job,” says Saru Jayaraman, executive director of ROC-NY.. “ They’re afraid that if they speak up on the job, they’ll get fired or deported.”

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Yeah I know LOL. But I like I've said before, on immigration issues I tend to part ways with my liberal brethren most of the time.

and so do many of our liberal friends. Yes, we have liberal friends, including our foster daughter..Well she is liberal in somes ways, pretty much social issues. Having friends on both sides makes for a more balanced life and is more educational than just seeing one side. So I put you as a freind as long as we have something we agree on..

[slo1318]

Okay okay, enough with the mutual admiration stuff, can you go back to arguing please......

[Highnlite]

20-30 bucks an hour?

Heck, Gentoo, when I was a teenager in the sixties I made $25 an hour cutting celery.

Calling the illegal immigration problem a liberal vs conservative thing is fairly silly. I do not know of a liberal who owns a commercial ag operation. The hundreds of thousands of illegal farm workers are all working for proud conservative Republicans. Drive out to the fields in the Salinas Valley, look for the white guys in the 4x4 pickups. Most of those trucks will have a McCain, or an old Bush, and some are even sporting a Palin for President bumper sticker.

[ndfmnlf]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

Undocumented - illegal immigration in NYC

“The truth is that employers actually prefer undocumented workers because they are more afraid to speak up on the job,” says Saru Jayaraman, executive director of ROC-NY.. “ They’re afraid that if they speak up on the job, they’ll get fired or deported.”

And the answer to this is to give the undocumented workers a path to legalization and citizenship.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by ndfmnlf

And the answer to this is to give the undocumented workers a path to legalization and citizenship.

so what you are saying, illegals (no, not undocumented workers, illegals) should be allowed to come over the border as will, get paid in many cases under the table, so they are not paying income tax and have a path to citizenship, when there are thousands in other countries waiting for permission to legally enter our country. Wow, doesn't that seem fair? I don't think sooo...

Nita

PS, to those who claim the field labor jobs are all going to illegals because Americans don't want them and the businessman isn't greedy:

Let's try and explain this:

Mr farm owner can hire Mr illegal at $50 a day. He can hire Mr legal at $70 a day; of course he will hire Mr Illegal, but if there were no Mr Illegals, he would have no choice but to hire Mr legal? Am I off base there? Mr Legal, in many cases, isn't going to even bother talking to Mr Farm owner because he heard from the coffe shop down the road, Mr Farm owner is only paying $50 a day.

This applys to other businesses as well. Here in NWA, with all the chicken processing plants we have illegals. Are they paid min wage? I don't know, but I am sure, because these are huge national companies they are. Why do the companies continue to hire them? Because many Americans do not want these jobs unless they make say $12 an hour. If there were no illegals, Mr and Mrs Tyson for expample would have to pay $12 an hour. BTW, I am not picking on Tyson, I just am mentioning them as an expample. I don't know what they pay or if, indeed they hire illegals.

Nita

[Highnlite]

Mr farm owner can hire Mr illegal at $50 a day. He can hire Mr legal at $70 a day; of course he will hire Mr Illegal, but if there were no Mr Illegals, he would have no choice but to hire Mr legal? Am I off base there? Mr Legal, in many cases, isn't going to even bother talking to Mr Farm owner because he heard from the coffe shop down the road, Mr Farm owner is only paying $50 a day.

Yes you are off base. The farmer pays the same wages for the same work, and in fact, does not know who is legal and who is not, they all have the same documentation.

You forget, wages and working conditions are controlled by the state. There is no "under the table" employment in commercial agriculture.

If you are a ag operation you are subject to inspections and audits. It would be foolish to try to skirt the law by paying cash or "under the table".

And now you are going to say that the good conservative patriotic", "anti Obama", "anti socialist" pro gun, anti abortion, pro Palin, Republican farmers are "criminals" for hiring illegals, and again, the farmer does not know who is legal and who is illegal.

Those darned facts once again rear their ugly heads.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

Heck, Gentoo, when I was a teenager in the sixties I made $25 an hour cutting celery.

Calling the illegal immigration problem a liberal vs conservative thing is fairly silly. I do not know of a liberal who owns a commercial ag operation. The hundreds of thousands of illegal farm workers are all working for proud conservative Republicans. Drive out to the fields in the Salinas Valley, look for the white guys in the 4x4 pickups. Most of those trucks will have a McCain, or an old Bush, and some are even sporting a Palin for President bumper sticker.

Can you tell me where this was you worked because I'd be happy to go cut their celery.

The liberal conservative remarks have to do with the fact that, as a general rule, conservatives are on one side of this issue and liberals on the other.

[nmnita]

Boy, I too would love to know where they lived and worked..My husband was a teen in the 50s and made about $.75 an hour working in an onion factory. Others he knew lit or made sure the smug pots were lit when a frost was predicted in the orange groves. They were high school kids and made no more than 60 cents an hour.

In the late 60s hubby got his frist real promotion, and was up to about $750 a month, which comes out to around $5.00 an hour. That was with a college education.

Nita