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Old 08-10-2010, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I didn't think any Republicans were moderates in Texas except someone like Ron Paul.
I was talking about Democrats in Texas and comparing them to Republicans in California regarding the ideological purity issue. A large faction of the California GOP seems to think that it should be identical to the Texas GOP.
OTOH, in the Texas Democratic Party, NO ONE thinks that the Texas Dems should be identical to the California Dems.

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A Republican moderate in California would be considered a liberal Democrat in Texas.
Agreed wholeheartedly, in fact, Schwarzenegger would be considered too far left to run for statewide office as a Dem in Texas. Whitman, OTOH, could run as a Dem in Texas.

Jerry Brown in Texas? Congressman representing Austin, and not rising any further.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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I was talking about Democrats in Texas and comparing them to Republicans in California regarding the ideological purity issue. A large faction of the California GOP seems to think that it should be identical to the Texas GOP.
OTOH, in the Texas Democratic Party, NO ONE thinks that the Texas Dems should be identical to the California Dems.



Agreed wholeheartedly, in fact, Schwarzenegger would be considered too far left to run for statewide office as a Dem in Texas. Whitman, OTOH, could run as a Dem in Texas.

Jerry Brown in Texas? Congressman representing Austin, and not rising any further.
The ideological types generally end up being bitter and turn on their own party members. I couldn't believe how "pure" Republicans savagely attacked Schwarzenegger within a year of him becoming governor. It got to a point that Arnold could only deal with Democrats which all the more inflames the ideologues. Republicans have made a serious detour into the wilderness since governors like Ronald Reagan. Currently Republicans hate to be reminded that Reagan would not be supported by the GOP today and that he probably would have become a Democrat. Republicans have no coalitions and seem to only attract a certain kind of narrow-minded voter.

Texas-style Republicans would be even more marginalized in California. Perry would never even win a seat in the California state assembly.

Democrats have a large spread among voters and as a result have a tight grip on California.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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OK, that's just too much BAITER-BOY!

Name the source...
Texas Gov: "Non-Christians Will Be Condemned To Hell" (http://digg.com/politics/Texas_Gov_Non_Christians_Will_Be_Condemned_To_Hell - broken link)

Perry says nation's soul is at stake in election | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Regional News

Is Texas Governor Rick Perry Insane? | The Sensuous Curmudgeon
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Texas Gov: "Non-Christians Will Be Condemned To Hell" (http://digg.com/politics/Texas_Gov_Non_Christians_Will_Be_Condemned_To_Hell - broken link)

Perry says nation's soul is at stake in election | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Texas Regional News

Is Texas Governor Rick Perry Insane? | The Sensuous Curmudgeon
Thanks, Charles and there's lots more on Perry so long as a person takes the time to check the facts. But some posters prefer to take the way of ignorance and then have the audacity to attack the credibility of others! Lazy and reactionary types.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:14 PM
 
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What's even sadder to me is the fact that liberals refuse to admit their own policies and tactics are to blame.
Yep. I wish they'd just admit it. I tend to agree with liberals on some social policy, but their economic policies are terrible. Yet they still blame all the state's financial problems on conservatives.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:16 PM
 
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You are right, but I bet they get voted in again in November.
The reason the libs will get voted back in is this. The hard working class of people are out numbered by people that either work for the Government or get some free handout from the Government and they do not want things to be different.
That's true. The other class you forgot is the liberal idealists who haven't been hit hard enough by the recession to give up their utopian social policy ideals. I suspect some of those idealists might change their votes, but it won't be enough to make a difference.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:22 PM
 
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The cost of living in California really is not that different from most desirable places. I can tell you that Nevada is on a par with California, but you don't get fresh fruit and vegetables, and the fish smell like fish.

Here, try this, instead of whining about how awful California is, vote with your feet, find that better place and move to it, life is to short to spend whining.
Or, go outside, get in your carcachita and head for the hills, or the beach, go for a hike, rent a boat, climb a mountain, make living a verb not a noun.

"free handout from the government?
Like the Conservative Republican farmers in the Central Valley using state subsidized water?
Or the Conservative Republican Ranchers grazing on public land and paying AUM's a quarter of what they would pay on private land?
Or the Conservative Republican loggers cutting low cost timber on Public land?
Or the Conservative Republican miners extracting minerals from public land and paying no taxes or royalty on those minerals?
Or the Conservative Republican oilmen extracting oil from our public land and paying no royalty?
Welfare Ranchers, loggers, miners, oilmen, getting what amounts to free handouts subsidized by the rest of us TaxPayers.

I like the Conservative Republican farmers who are happy to complain about all that big government, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the legislature in Sacramento, the onerous regulations foisted on them by "them Liberals", the whole conservative Republican litany of grievances, but they fall strangely silent on the subject of illegals. Knowing that their income, and a substantial portion of the GDP of the State of California is due to the hard work of the illegal farm worker.

I think we call that, hypocrisy.
There's no question there's some hypocrisy on the part of Conservatives. Problem is, we in America are going to have to start opening our eyes and admitting the truth of that old saying "Two wrongs don't make a right". The free handouts and the special interests are just not ok. Period. Unfortunately, people need to start admitting that the stuff they want subsidies for is a special interest, too, yet few are willing to admit that.

Despite the admitted hypocrisy from conservative special interest groups, the fact still remains that California is one of the highest taxed and most heavily regulated states, yet we still run chronic budget deficits year in and year out.

If not enough of us start owning up to our individual hypocrisy (instead of just blaming "the other guy") and start showing a real and honest willingness to give something up, then our state is going to fall apart.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:31 PM
 
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Hmmmm.... How to say this politely.... Bull$h!t.
Ever heard of a little thing called Proposition 13? It was California's death knell.
Howard Jarvis, that great republican, got the ball rolling and it's been gathering speed as it rolled downhill ever since.
The only mistake Republicans made was they should have limited spending, not taxes.

It's been proven over and over again that property tax revenue has increased greatly over the years, and local residents have often improved tax increases to fund schools, etc.

There's no rational basis for saying Prop 13 is the reason why California is broke. We're one of the highest taxed states in the US. That was true in the 1970s and it's still true today.

There are people who make 6 figure salaries but can never manage to save and there are low income people who always manage to put money away. It's the same thing with states and countries. Some relatively low income countries live within their means and have little debt (Chile). And some high income countries are in debt over their eyeballs (Japan, the US, Greece).

Most people who win the lottery have nothing to show for it after 5 years. That's what California is like. As soon as a windfall comes in (like the tech boom), it gets spent, instead of put away for a rainy day.

When will people like yourself understand that you can't cure a spending addiction with more money?

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Old 08-10-2010, 09:41 PM
 
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Default Even some liberals are admitting that CA is wasting tax money

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I knew this was coming; that we would be lectured from of all people someone from Texas and then be insulted on our own forum. Have the courtesy of not posting a question on another state's forum if you end up not liking the feedback because it is the utmost in poor taste to attack a state where you do not live. But whoever said Texans have "taste"? And I'll leave it at that.
Actually, a very liberal friend of mine who was born and raised in CA (he now lives in FL) admits that TX is a much better run state than CA.

Even traditionally liberal academic types like Joel Kotkin and the guy who wrote this piece are starting to admit that California's policies aren't working:

Our high-benefit/high-tax model no longer works, especially compared with low-tax states like Texas

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov...ion/oe-voegli1

Here's Kotkin's article for Newsweek:

Understanding California's Crisis - Newsweek



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Old 08-10-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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Of course. When has overpopulation ever resulted in anything other than a falling standard of living?
This just has no basis in fact. Some of the most densely populated countries in the world have high living standards.

Japan & most of Europe are much more densely populated than California....and Europe in particular, is a place that Calfornia liberals typically hold up as a model to follow.
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