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Old 08-09-2010, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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The Golden State

It's sad
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:15 AM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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And it's winning!

Outstanding analysis and, sadly, all too true. Most unfortunately, CA's politicians lack the will, resolve and courage to change things for the better. Thus they pander for the votes. The middle class disappears and soon, if these dynamics go unchanged, there will be only the super-wealthy and the poverty-stricken who will be dependent upon government handouts.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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Pointing to Per Capita Income to prove something negative about California really doesnt make sense.

Latest data by the Commerce Dept.

*California Metros in Red

US Metropolitan Areas Ranked by Per Capita Income, 2008
1 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT (MSA) $79,108
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (MSA) 62,598
3 Naples-Marco Island, FL (MSA) 62,559
4 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA (MSA) 58,531
5 Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL (MSA) 57,107
6 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV (MSA) 56,824
7 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (MSA) 55,187
8 Trenton-Ewing, NJ (MSA) 55,170
9 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 54,914
10 Midland, TX (MSA) 53,968
11 Casper, WY (MSA) 52,185
12 Napa, CA (MSA) 52,169
13 Barnstable Town, MA (MSA) 51,194
14 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA (MSA) 51,140
15 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT (MSA) 50,755
16 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA (MSA) 50,586
17 Boulder CO (MSA) 50,058
18 North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL (MSA) 48,713
19 Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO (MSA) 48,010
20 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA (MSA) 47,957
21 Baltimore-Towson, MD (MSA) 47,881
22 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA (MSA) 47,755
23 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI (MSA) 47,653
24 Anchorage, AK (MSA) 47,205
25 Reno-Sparks, NV (MSA) 46,929
26 New Haven-Milford, CT (MSA) 46,918
27 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA (MSA) 46,787
28 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA (MSA) 46,649
29 Norwich-New London, CT (MSA) 46,426
30 Ocean City, NJ (MSA) 46,001
31 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD (MSA) 45,927
32 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX (MSA) 45,835
33 Manchester-Nashua, NH (MSA) 45,432
34 Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI (MSA) 45,377
35 Honolulu, HI (MSA) 45,205
36 Santa Fe, NM (MSA) 44,927
37 Cheyenne, WY (MSA) 44,613
38 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (MSA) 44,519
39 Madison, WI (MSA) 44,172
CALIFORNIA STATE AVERAGE $43,852
40 Charlottesville, VA (MSA) 43,344
41 Pittsfield, MA (MSA) 43,237
42 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (MSA) 43,013
43 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA (MSA) 43,012
44 Bremerton-Silverdale, WA (MSA) 42,992
45 Carson City, NV (MSA) 42,955
46 Salinas, CA (MSA) 42,857
47 Worcester, MA (MSA) 42,850
48 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI (MSA) 42,824
49 Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY (MSA) 42,523
50 Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA (MSA) 42,506
51 Richmond, VA (MSA) 42,309
52 Rochester, MN (MSA) 42,208
53 Pittsburgh, PA (MSA) 42,104
54 St. Louis, MO-IL (MSA) 41,823
55 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA (MSA) 41,740
56 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX (MSA) 41,667
57 Portland-South Portland-Biddeford, ME (MSA) 41,522
58 Burlington-South Burlington, VT (MSA) 41,139
59 Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA (MSA) 41,119
60 Crestview-Fort Walton Beach-Destin, FL (MSA) 41,050
61 Tulsa, OK (MSA) 40,981
62 Durham-Chapel Hill, NC (MSA) 40,927
63 Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL (MSA) 40,898
64 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA (MSA) 40,887
65 Peoria, IL (MSA) 40,787
66 San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA (MSA) 40,635
67 Kansas City, MO-KS (MSA) 40,396
68 Lafayette, LA (MSA) 40,182
UNITED STATES AVERAGE $40,166
69 Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY (MSA) 40,119
70 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH (MSA) 40,118
71 Jacksonville, FL (MSA) 40,028
72 Olympia, WA (MSA) 39,988
73 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA (MSA) 39,942
74 Jacksonville, NC (MSA) 39,932
75 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV (MSA) 39,920
76 Birmingham-Hoover, AL (MSA) 39,886
77 Atlantic City-Hammonton, NJ (MSA) 39,835
78 Fargo, ND-MN (MSA) 39,812
78 Rochester, NY (MSA) 39,812
80 Sioux Falls, SD (MSA) 39,786
81 Port St. Lucie, FL (MSA) 39,777
82 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN (MSA) 39,768
83 Springfield, IL (MSA) 39,646
84 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC (MSA) 39,621
85 Raleigh-Cary, NC (MSA) 39,602
86 Vallejo-Fairfield, CA (MSA) 39,442
87 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC (MSA) 39,300
88 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN (MSA) 39,297
89 Wichita, KS (MSA) 39,207
90 Savannah, GA (MSA) 39,183
91 Decatur, IL (MSA) 39,147
92 Ann Arbor, MI (MSA) 39,107
93 Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA (MSA) 39,106
94 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN (MSA) 39,066
95 Fayetteville, NC (MSA) 39,054
96 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI (MSA) 39,028
97 Houma-Bayou Cane-Thibodaux, LA (MSA) 39,019
98 Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR (MSA) 39,012
99 Fairbanks, AK (MSA) 38,969
100 Oklahoma City, OK (MSA) 38,882

Other California MSAs
198 Redding, CA (MSA) 34,527
260 Chico, CA (MSA) 32,349
282 Stockton, CA (MSA) 31,547
286 Modesto, CA (MSA) 31,485
297 Fresno, CA (MSA) 30,997
307 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA (MSA) 30,634
325 12540 Bakersfield-Delano, CA (MSA) 30,047
354 El Centro, CA (MSA) 27,666
357 Hanford-Corcoran, CA (MSA) 26,734
358 Madera-Chowchilla, CA (MSA) 26,524

BEA : Per Capita Personal Income by MSA for 2008 <sup>\<a href="#footnote">1</a></sup>
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Pointing to Per Capita Income to prove something negative about California really doesnt make sense.

Latest data by the Commerce Dept.

*California Metros in Red

US Metropolitan Areas Ranked by Per Capita Income, 2008
1 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT (MSA) $79,108
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (MSA) 62,598
3 Naples-Marco Island, FL (MSA) 62,559
4 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA (MSA) 58,531
5 Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL (MSA) 57,107
6 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV (MSA) 56,824
7 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (MSA) 55,187
8 Trenton-Ewing, NJ (MSA) 55,170
9 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 54,914
10 Midland, TX (MSA) 53,968
11 Casper, WY (MSA) 52,185
12 Napa, CA (MSA) 52,169
13 Barnstable Town, MA (MSA) 51,194
14 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA (MSA) 51,140
15 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT (MSA) 50,755
16 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA (MSA) 50,586
17 Boulder CO (MSA) 50,058
18 North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL (MSA) 48,713
19 Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO (MSA) 48,010
20 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA (MSA) 47,957
21 Baltimore-Towson, MD (MSA) 47,881
22 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA (MSA) 47,755
23 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI (MSA) 47,653
24 Anchorage, AK (MSA) 47,205
25 Reno-Sparks, NV (MSA) 46,929
26 New Haven-Milford, CT (MSA) 46,918
27 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA (MSA) 46,787
28 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA (MSA) 46,649
29 Norwich-New London, CT (MSA) 46,426
30 Ocean City, NJ (MSA) 46,001
31 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD (MSA) 45,927
32 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX (MSA) 45,835
33 Manchester-Nashua, NH (MSA) 45,432
34 Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI (MSA) 45,377
35 Honolulu, HI (MSA) 45,205
36 Santa Fe, NM (MSA) 44,927
37 Cheyenne, WY (MSA) 44,613
38 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (MSA) 44,519
39 Madison, WI (MSA) 44,172
CALIFORNIA STATE AVERAGE $43,852
40 Charlottesville, VA (MSA) 43,344
41 Pittsfield, MA (MSA) 43,237
42 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (MSA) 43,013
43 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA (MSA) 43,012
44 Bremerton-Silverdale, WA (MSA) 42,992
45 Carson City, NV (MSA) 42,955
46 Salinas, CA (MSA) 42,857
47 Worcester, MA (MSA) 42,850
48 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI (MSA) 42,824
49 Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY (MSA) 42,523
50 Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA (MSA) 42,506
51 Richmond, VA (MSA) 42,309
52 Rochester, MN (MSA) 42,208
53 Pittsburgh, PA (MSA) 42,104
54 St. Louis, MO-IL (MSA) 41,823
55 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA (MSA) 41,740
56 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX (MSA) 41,667
57 Portland-South Portland-Biddeford, ME (MSA) 41,522
58 Burlington-South Burlington, VT (MSA) 41,139
59 Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA (MSA) 41,119
60 Crestview-Fort Walton Beach-Destin, FL (MSA) 41,050
61 Tulsa, OK (MSA) 40,981
62 Durham-Chapel Hill, NC (MSA) 40,927
63 Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL (MSA) 40,898
64 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA (MSA) 40,887
65 Peoria, IL (MSA) 40,787
66 San Luis Obispo-Paso Robles, CA (MSA) 40,635
67 Kansas City, MO-KS (MSA) 40,396
68 Lafayette, LA (MSA) 40,182
UNITED STATES AVERAGE $40,166
69 Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY (MSA) 40,119
70 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH (MSA) 40,118
71 Jacksonville, FL (MSA) 40,028
72 Olympia, WA (MSA) 39,988
73 Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA (MSA) 39,942
74 Jacksonville, NC (MSA) 39,932
75 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV (MSA) 39,920
76 Birmingham-Hoover, AL (MSA) 39,886
77 Atlantic City-Hammonton, NJ (MSA) 39,835
78 Fargo, ND-MN (MSA) 39,812
78 Rochester, NY (MSA) 39,812
80 Sioux Falls, SD (MSA) 39,786
81 Port St. Lucie, FL (MSA) 39,777
82 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN (MSA) 39,768
83 Springfield, IL (MSA) 39,646
84 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC (MSA) 39,621
85 Raleigh-Cary, NC (MSA) 39,602
86 Vallejo-Fairfield, CA (MSA) 39,442
87 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC (MSA) 39,300
88 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN (MSA) 39,297
89 Wichita, KS (MSA) 39,207
90 Savannah, GA (MSA) 39,183
91 Decatur, IL (MSA) 39,147
92 Ann Arbor, MI (MSA) 39,107
93 Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA (MSA) 39,106
94 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN (MSA) 39,066
95 Fayetteville, NC (MSA) 39,054
96 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI (MSA) 39,028
97 Houma-Bayou Cane-Thibodaux, LA (MSA) 39,019
98 Little Rock-North Little Rock-Conway, AR (MSA) 39,012
99 Fairbanks, AK (MSA) 38,969
100 Oklahoma City, OK (MSA) 38,882

Other California MSAs
198 Redding, CA (MSA) 34,527
260 Chico, CA (MSA) 32,349
282 Stockton, CA (MSA) 31,547
286 Modesto, CA (MSA) 31,485
297 Fresno, CA (MSA) 30,997
307 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA (MSA) 30,634
325 12540 Bakersfield-Delano, CA (MSA) 30,047
354 El Centro, CA (MSA) 27,666
357 Hanford-Corcoran, CA (MSA) 26,734
358 Madera-Chowchilla, CA (MSA) 26,524

BEA : Per Capita Personal Income by MSA for 2008 <sup>\<a href="#footnote">1</a></sup>
It's pointless, the cost of living is so high in Cali..Incomes don't follow !
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
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It's pointless, the cost of living is so high in Cali..Incomes don't follow !
The same can be said of any expensive states and cities. The incomes NEVER follow.

But those places continue to attract hard working, highly skilled people from all over the world.

California is no different.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Austin Texas
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What I see in the OP's chart is the trend. Sure California's per capita income is above the national average (still). But the trend is that California's income advantage is declining steadily over time. Combined with a significantly higher cost of living the standard of living is headed in the wrong direction.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Mojave Desert, Southern California
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What's even sadder to me is the fact that liberals refuse to admit their own policies and tactics are to blame.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:19 AM
 
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Pointing to Per Capita Income to prove something negative about California really doesnt make sense.

Latest data by the Commerce Dept.

*California Metros in Red

US Metropolitan Areas Ranked by Per Capita Income, 2008
1 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT (MSA) $79,108
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA (MSA) 62,598
3 Naples-Marco Island, FL (MSA) 62,559
4 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA (MSA) 58,531
5 Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL (MSA) 57,107
6 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV (MSA) 56,824
7 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH (MSA) 55,187
8 Trenton-Ewing, NJ (MSA) 55,170
9 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 54,914
10 Midland, TX (MSA) 53,968
11 Casper, WY (MSA) 52,185
12 Napa, CA (MSA) 52,169
13 Barnstable Town, MA (MSA) 51,194
14 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA (MSA) 51,140
15 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT (MSA) 50,755
16 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA (MSA) 50,586
17 Boulder CO (MSA) 50,058
18 North Port-Bradenton-Sarasota, FL (MSA) 48,713
19 Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO (MSA) 48,010
20 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA (MSA) 47,957
21 Baltimore-Towson, MD (MSA) 47,881
22 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA (MSA) 47,755
23 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI (MSA) 47,653
That's the stupidest attempt to make a point I've ever seen.

Those metro areas in CA have insane (like double, triple) housing prices compared to say Midland TX, Denver CO, or Minneapolis MN. Are the median incomes double or triple? Hell no.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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What's even sadder to me is the fact that liberals refuse to admit their own policies and tactics are to blame.
You are right, but I bet they get voted in again in November.
The reason the libs will get voted back in is this. The hard working class of people are out numbered by people that either work for the Government or get some free handout from the Government and they do not want things to be different.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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It's pointless, the cost of living is so high in Cali..Incomes don't follow !
The cost of living in California really is not that different from most desirable places. I can tell you that Nevada is on a par with California, but you don't get fresh fruit and vegetables, and the fish smell like fish.

Here, try this, instead of whining about how awful California is, vote with your feet, find that better place and move to it, life is to short to spend whining.
Or, go outside, get in your carcachita and head for the hills, or the beach, go for a hike, rent a boat, climb a mountain, make living a verb not a noun.

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The hard working class of people are out numbered by people that either work for the Government or get some free handout from the Government and they do not want things to be different.
"free handout from the government?
Like the Conservative Republican farmers in the Central Valley using state subsidized water?
Or the Conservative Republican Ranchers grazing on public land and paying AUM's a quarter of what they would pay on private land?
Or the Conservative Republican loggers cutting low cost timber on Public land?
Or the Conservative Republican miners extracting minerals from public land and paying no taxes or royalty on those minerals?
Or the Conservative Republican oilmen extracting oil from our public land and paying no royalty?
Welfare Ranchers, loggers, miners, oilmen, getting what amounts to free handouts subsidized by the rest of us TaxPayers.

I like the Conservative Republican farmers who are happy to complain about all that big government, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, the legislature in Sacramento, the onerous regulations foisted on them by "them Liberals", the whole conservative Republican litany of grievances, but they fall strangely silent on the subject of illegals. Knowing that their income, and a substantial portion of the GDP of the State of California is due to the hard work of the illegal farm worker.

I think we call that, hypocrisy.
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