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Old 09-02-2010, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Dude, the only anti anything I posted was about L.A and San Bernardino.. Sense when is that being anti-California? Am I bashing the entire state? No. Learn to read, or go back to geography class.
Be careful telling someone to "learn how to read" when you don't know the difference between "sense" and "since."

You made sweeping generalizations about an entire city based off of television, movies, and however many (or few) times you have visited it. It's fine to not be interested in living in a certain place, it's another to say it's filled with, quote, "fake plastic dumb bimbos, drug run, overpopulated area, image conscious, infamous freeway system, porn capitol of California."

No, you weren't bashing the entire state, but you were making sweeping generalizations that have been done ten thousand times by everyone and their brother about one city in this state. We have enough people come on this board and talk trash about LA or another city and/or whine about California that some people are getting sick of it. So spare us your criticism (that has been done a million times before you decided to grace us with your presence) and ask the questions you need answers to.
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Old 09-03-2010, 12:07 AM
 
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Be careful telling someone to "learn how to read" when you don't know the difference between "sense" and "since."

You made sweeping generalizations about an entire city based off of television, movies, and however many (or few) times you have visited it. It's fine to not be interested in living in a certain place, it's another to say it's filled with, quote, "fake plastic dumb bimbos, drug run, overpopulated area, image conscious, infamous freeway system, porn capitol of California."

No, you weren't bashing the entire state, but you were making sweeping generalizations that have been done ten thousand times by everyone and their brother about one city in this state. We have enough people come on this board and talk trash about LA or another city and/or whine about California that some people are getting sick of it. So spare us your criticism (that has been done a million times before you decided to grace us with your presence) and ask the questions you need answers to.
Oh no, I made a grammatical error, whereas someone thinks me criticizing a section of CA is criticizing the entire state, what am I a robot?. And as for me generalizing? Please, half of that stuff I said is fact. And anyways your late, I've already asked the questions needed and I have gotten some pretty good replies.
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Old 09-03-2010, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Oh no, I made a grammatical error, whereas someone thinks me criticizing a section of CA is criticizing the entire state, what am I a robot?. And as for me generalizing? Please, half of that stuff I said is fact. And anyways your late, I've already asked the questions needed and I have gotten some pretty good replies.
Like I said, be careful telling people to go back and learn something. Their mistake isn't any worse than your grammar (and it's more than one mistake, by the way). I see you have ignored everything else I have said and no, half of what you said is not correct. Crime is a problem everywhere, not just in LA and it's hard to compare LA to other cities with populations significantly smaller than it. You can continue making ignorant statements, though. It is a blessing that you don't want to come to southern California, we do have our fair share of a-holes and we don't need anymore.
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Like I said, be careful telling people to go back and learn something. Their mistake isn't any worse than your grammar (and it's more than one mistake, by the way). I see you have ignored everything else I have said and no, half of what you said is not correct. Crime is a problem everywhere, not just in LA and it's hard to compare LA to other cities with populations significantly smaller than it. You can continue making ignorant statements, though. It is a blessing that you don't want to come to southern California, we do have our fair share of a-holes and we don't need anymore.
Troll is written all over hmmwhereto? Notice he\ she has only a handfull of posts and they are all on this thread. Anyone "innocently" asking about a state or city who makes assinine accusations is immediately suspect. It would be like a Californian posting a thread about moving to Washington on the Seattle forum and making stereotypical negative comments about how cold and grungy it is or how there are many meth users in Seattle. It would not only be extremely impolite but a sure sign of someone trying to provoke others. A very troll-like tactic. And if hmmwhereto? isn't a troll than he\ she is oblivious to how much of a bore he\ she is and we prefer that kind of person stay where they are; maybe Seattle can export hmmwhereto? to Alaska.
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Old 09-03-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Troll is written all over hmmwhereto? Notice he\ she has only a handfull of posts and they are all on this thread. Anyone "innocently" asking about a state or city who makes assinine accusations is immediately suspect. It would be like a Californian posting a thread about moving to Washington on the Seattle forum and making stereotypical negative comments about how cold and grungy it is or how there are many meth users in Seattle. It would not only be extremely impolite but a sure sign of someone trying to provoke others. A very troll-like tactic. And if hmmwhereto? isn't a troll than he\ she is oblivious to how much of a bore he\ she is and we prefer that kind of person stay where they are; maybe Seattle can export hmmwhereto? to Alaska.
Ha! "Export to Alaska" from Seattle! Good one!

Well look, as a former Californian / current Washingtonian (who splits time now between Washington, Hawaii, and California) I wouldn't accuse the OP of trolling too fast. The post seemed pretty specific in ways that a troll wouldn't bother with. A troll would simply attack generically or specifically, area-wise. The range of places mentioned, from Redding to San Bernardino, is too variable to have common purpose other than what was expressed.

At first I didn't catch what upset a few of the Californian responses ... but I get it now. That said, however, I would suggest that, while the OP may have applied a somewhat glib tone to the generalizations about L.A., his/her prejudices are hardly surprising given the common media, tv, and Hollywood portrayals of the city. Same is true of the rain in Seattle: when actually Seattle is not very high at all on the nation's cities index of annual precipitation. It is gray and pretty damn gloomy much of the year, and it 'mizzles' a LOT -- but it does not get many inches of rain at all, and the summers / early fall are spectacular with hardly a cloud in the sky for months. Yet the common perception 'from away' is rain rain rain (and grunge grunge grunge). And to bring it even closer to home in California, San Francisco is portrayed nationally as wall to wall GLBT -- uh, not!

I don't think the OP is a troll, nor do I think s/he meant any offense.

Meanwhile, up in the islands here north of Seattle, I am readying my sunlamps and anti-mold dehumidifiers in preparation for our 8 months of pervasive gray soppiness -- whilst pondering how to send EVERYBODY here, imports from California and natives alike, up to S.E. Alaska to teach them a lesson about true Gloom!
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Ha! "Export to Alaska" from Seattle! Good one!

Well look, as a former Californian / current Washingtonian (who splits time now between Washington, Hawaii, and California) I wouldn't accuse the OP of trolling too fast. The post seemed pretty specific in ways that a troll wouldn't bother with. A troll would simply attack generically or specifically, area-wise. The range of places mentioned, from Redding to San Bernardino, is too variable to have common purpose other than what was expressed.

At first I didn't catch what upset a few of the Californian responses ... but I get it now. That said, however, I would suggest that, while the OP may have applied a somewhat glib tone to the generalizations about L.A., his/her prejudices are hardly surprising given the common media, tv, and Hollywood portrayals of the city. Same is true of the rain in Seattle: when actually Seattle is not very high at all on the nation's cities index of annual precipitation. It is gray and pretty damn gloomy much of the year, and it 'mizzles' a LOT -- but it does not get many inches of rain at all, and the summers / early fall are spectacular with hardly a cloud in the sky for months. Yet the common perception 'from away' is rain rain rain (and grunge grunge grunge). And to bring it even closer to home in California, San Francisco is portrayed nationally as wall to wall GLBT -- uh, not!

I don't think the OP is a troll, nor do I think s/he meant any offense.

Meanwhile, up in the islands here north of Seattle, I am readying my sunlamps and anti-mold dehumidifiers in preparation for our 8 months of pervasive gray soppiness -- whilst pondering how to send EVERYBODY here, imports from California and natives alike, up to S.E. Alaska to teach them a lesson about true Gloom!
You may very well be right. We are accustom to attacks on a daily basis from out-of-state posters so our radar may be a bit heightened. Never-the-less the OP has a horrible way of inquiring information and may not even realize how it can actually distort the very responses he\ she is seeking. It is like someone asking for directions from a person he insults and then becomes offended by the unfriendly answer. But to assume that most people from Seattle are like hmmwhereto? would be unfair to the city [not the best ambassador however].
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:55 PM
 
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You may very well be right. We are accustom to attacks on a daily basis from out-of-state posters so our radar may be a bit heightened. Never-the-less the OP has a horrible way of inquiring information and may not even realize how it can actually distort the very responses he\ she is seeking. It is like someone asking for directions from a person he insults and then becomes offended by the unfriendly answer. But to assume that most people from Seattle are like hmmwhereto? would be unfair to the city [not the best ambassador however].
heh ... well, most folks in Seattle are like most folks in California ... that is:
from somewhere else
(me included!)

Geez, do you think this reality just points to what a bunch of knuckleheads most human-beings are wherever they are from? Clumsy bunch of creatures ... I'm sticking with dogs for quality communications. *Sniff* (and *aarf*)
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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Like I said, be careful telling people to go back and learn something. Their mistake isn't any worse than your grammar (and it's more than one mistake, by the way). I see you have ignored everything else I have said and no, half of what you said is not correct. Crime is a problem everywhere, not just in LA and it's hard to compare LA to other cities with populations significantly smaller than it. You can continue making ignorant statements, though. It is a blessing that you don't want to come to southern California, we do have our fair share of a-holes and we don't need anymore.
Haha, totally agree with you.


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Troll is written all over hmmwhereto? Notice he\ she has only a handfull of posts and they are all on this thread. Anyone "innocently" asking about a state or city who makes assinine accusations is immediately suspect. It would be like a Californian posting a thread about moving to Washington on the Seattle forum and making stereotypical negative comments about how cold and grungy it is or how there are many meth users in Seattle. It would not only be extremely impolite but a sure sign of someone trying to provoke others. A very troll-like tactic. And if hmmwhereto? isn't a troll than he\ she is oblivious to how much of a bore he\ she is and we prefer that kind of person stay where they are; maybe Seattle can export hmmwhereto? to Alaska.
Oh your totally on the money on that one. Mhm, because I have a life and don't spend all my spare time posting on city-data forums.. yup, I must be a troll!
It seems to me you have some kind of "troll radar", wow if that's the case you have to much time on your hands. But I guess that can be a good thing, no?
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Ha! "Export to Alaska" from Seattle! Good one!

Well look, as a former Californian / current Washingtonian (who splits time now between Washington, Hawaii, and California) I wouldn't accuse the OP of trolling too fast. The post seemed pretty specific in ways that a troll wouldn't bother with. A troll would simply attack generically or specifically, area-wise. The range of places mentioned, from Redding to San Bernardino, is too variable to have common purpose other than what was expressed.

At first I didn't catch what upset a few of the Californian responses ... but I get it now. That said, however, I would suggest that, while the OP may have applied a somewhat glib tone to the generalizations about L.A., his/her prejudices are hardly surprising given the common media, tv, and Hollywood portrayals of the city. Same is true of the rain in Seattle: when actually Seattle is not very high at all on the nation's cities index of annual precipitation. It is gray and pretty damn gloomy much of the year, and it 'mizzles' a LOT -- but it does not get many inches of rain at all, and the summers / early fall are spectacular with hardly a cloud in the sky for months. Yet the common perception 'from away' is rain rain rain (and grunge grunge grunge). And to bring it even closer to home in California, San Francisco is portrayed nationally as wall to wall GLBT -- uh, not!

I don't think the OP is a troll, nor do I think s/he meant any offense.

Meanwhile, up in the islands here north of Seattle, I am readying my sunlamps and anti-mold dehumidifiers in preparation for our 8 months of pervasive gray soppiness -- whilst pondering how to send EVERYBODY here, imports from California and natives alike, up to S.E. Alaska to teach them a lesson about true Gloom!
I like you, you have a brain and common sense! (Oh notice I used that word correctly, YES!!)

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Old 09-04-2010, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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It seems to rain often in the pnw from oct-june & sometimes july. At least thats what the weather men/women on tv in L.A. say.

I think they have been in the sun too much.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:26 PM
 
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So my job is making my family and I transfer again, how nice are they?

Anyways, the nice part of this deal is they're letting me pick which office I would like to work at. Los Angeles, Fresno, San Francisco, Redding, and San Bernardino.

I'm looking for a nice area, with a nice school district, close points of interests. I'll go ahead and list my views.. pro and cons per say.

Los Angeles - Lot's to do there, but I would really like to stay out of the city of fake plastic dumb bimbos, drug run, overpopulated area, image conscious, infamous freeway system, porn capitol of California. And I hear the schools suck, unless you'll pay the $$$ which I am not going to even think about.

Fresno - Most of it is rather older, and the newer nice houses are to expensive, but the suburb of Clovis has an excellent school system, so I hear. Hot summers, but it's oh so close to Yosemitie/Sequoia/Kings Canyon National Parks, as well as fairly close drive to the beach, all these natural wonders is why I would favour Central California.. And my wife and daughters love their Fashion Fair Mall, unfortunate for me.

San Francisco - Aside from all of the marijuana obsessed hippies, I love this city. It a beautiful place to raise a family. And I for one love the fog, I love feeling the mist in my face, it kind of reminds me a lot of my native Seattle. I don't know much about the schools.

Redding - I love how it's so natural no where near a large city, close to natural areas just a B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L area, don't know much about the schools.

San Bernardino - I don't know much about San Bernardino seeing it's the only city listed I never been to. But it's in a desert right? Enough said.


I would REALLY LOVE to avoid the Southern California region, but money talks. But of course seeing as I am not a California native, I suppose I can be misinformed? Enlighten me.
Wow. Interesting post. After moving with my husband to the Seattle area, and as a California native, your comments are not shocking to me. I have been treated to similar comments and stereotypes by people up here, repeatedly. Most often they state how much they hate California, or parts of California, and I ask if they've spent time there.. and it's like "well, I went there once on vacation." California is not Paris Hilton or 3's Company. LOL.

I won't bore you with what I dislike about living near Seattle, though I am speaking from actual experience of living here... but trust me, no place is perfect.

But because you asked a question (sort of) Here's my take:

L.A. You have a bias against it already. Not sure of where the office actually is, but if I were to live in L.A. again I would try to move near Pasadena, La Canada, Glendale, Burbank. If that's not possible, the South Bay is nice enough. Unless you're living in a truly awful place, the schools are only as good as the parents, just make sure you don't move where they bus your kids 2 hours away to another neighborhood. I just don't think LA would be a good fit for you.

S.F. well, if you can afford housing, I'd say the Bay area would be the closest fit to Seattle. It has more of a City vibe, and the weather would feel more comfortable. the cost of living is high.. really high, but it's quite livable. Too smoggy toward San Jose, so try to stay near the Bay.

Fresno. Run, screaming. There's no there, there. Hot, smoggy, and highest foreclosure rates, and crime issues. there's a beach, but it's like 2 hours away in Pismo or Santa Cruz, and it's not a great drive.

San Bernadino. Hot, smoggy, ugh. Don't even consider that one.

Redding. Hmmm... can you handle extreme heat? Redding is really pretty in a foothills, river, open fields, kind of way. Near Mt. Shasta, but nowhere near the ocean. Too isolated for me, but many people like it.

I'd probably suggest the Bay area/S.F. as your number 1, then Redding. Hope that helps.
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