09-13-2010, 01:15 AM
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Most of what you assert is correct and funny but also desirable to me! Socialism keeps people safe; take a look at crime rates in countries like Canada, France, Spain, Sweden, etc. Civilized people make every attempt to improve the lifes of others. Capitalists are only interested in themselves even it if means innocent people are hurt. Like those supporting Prop 23 who want to slow down anti-pollution efforts because they don't want to lose money!
Power companies from Texas and Wyoming are pouring in $ to fund this proposition instead of using their money to find better ways to cut the pollution they create. If that's American-style Capitalism then give me socialism any day!
Funny how all those Socialistic nations are trying to get out of Socialism because of the cost. In France the people are complaining because the Government is trying to do away with the retire by 55 program that they have. The reason it is going away is the cost. Funny how people here in the USA are trying to embrace socialism and those that have had it for many years are realizing that the cost to maintain it is not sustainable.
09-13-2010, 01:53 AM
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Funny how all those Socialistic nations are trying to get out of Socialism because of the cost. In France the people are complaining because the Government is trying to do away with the retire by 55 program that they have. The reason it is going away is the cost. Funny how people here in the USA are trying to embrace socialism and those that have had it for many years are realizing that the cost to maintain it is not sustainable.
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09-13-2010, 01:55 AM
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Well we don't have to do away with Social Security and Medicare, they will end on their own as the system is not sustainable. If you aren't aware of that now you may want to do a little checking. Besides that who can even live on Social Security? If you haven't saved on your own for retirment chances are it will never happen for you anyway. As far as snubbing Reagan, all the Republicans that I know love him. Then again I live in Reagan Country.
Ventura County's more purple than red, but that may be due to some of those who've moved to eastern Ventura County from L.A. County bringing their voting habits with them.
And looking at the historical maps of presidential elections, at one time Ventura County was anything but red (either in the current political connotation or the connotation of that era.)
09-13-2010, 02:01 AM
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Funny how all those Socialistic nations are trying to get out of Socialism because of the cost. In France the people are complaining because the Government is trying to do away with the retire by 55 program that they have. The reason it is going away is the cost. Funny how people here in the USA are trying to embrace socialism and those that have had it for many years are realizing that the cost to maintain it is not sustainable.
France and especially the Netherlands and Sweden do take the whole socialism thing a bit too far.
However as said earlier in the thread Canada's definitely not socialist.
Socialism's viability is directly linked to the quality of the people in power as I said in another post (referring specifically to Sweden). If there are good, competent, decent people in power social democracy works very well, however if there are people who don't know what they're doing, are overtly PC, and/or overtly corrupt, it doesn't work at all.
That in short is why Germany works and why Greece doesn't.
The US while still amongst the 10 most free market countries in the world has gotten more corporatist under Bush and Obama, which is not the same thing as socialism.
09-13-2010, 06:23 AM
Location: Los Angeles
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Funny how all those Socialistic nations are trying to get out of Socialism because of the cost. In France the people are complaining because the Government is trying to do away with the retire by 55 program that they have. The reason it is going away is the cost. Funny how people here in the USA are trying to embrace socialism and those that have had it for many years are realizing that the cost to maintain it is not sustainable.
Even the most conservative governments in western Europe are to the left of the Repubican party in this country (and about the same or possibly to the left of the Democratic party).
That might actually say more about how far to the right the GOP in the USA has drifted in the last 20 or 30 years than it does about the right in Europe.
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09-13-2010, 02:35 PM
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Allen was associated more with the Southern "religious right" (although ironically born in California). If anything, Romney's probably more of an heir to Reagan as he appeals more to all the wings of the "conservative family".
Not really. He's not a religious person himself and was much more into libertarian values (less government spending and regulation and not particularly interested in social controls). The teapartiers should find him very appealing. Much moreso than Romney.
09-13-2010, 02:39 PM
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Not sure how the Civil Rights movement cost people anything but then I was only a young kid in the 1960's. Maybe you can explain the cost of Civil Rights because I don't see how that cost us anything.
I interpreted your previous statement as being more than just about government spending to include all (federal) government intervention.
09-13-2010, 04:50 PM
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Not really. He's not a religious person himself and was much more into libertarian values (less government spending and regulation and not particularly interested in social controls). The teapartiers should find him very appealing. Much moreso than Romney.
Allen does have a very Southern "style", however, which is ironic for someone not born in the South. And he didn't come across as particularly intelligent (long before his use of the French n-word)
That wouldn't play too well up North or out West.
You sound more like you're describing Mitch Daniels, who (although I would not vote for him) seems like he'd be a very strong candidate.
Gary Johnson would play much better in California. So would Ron Paul.
09-13-2010, 07:08 PM
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Allen does have a very Southern "style", however, which is ironic for someone not born in the South. And he didn't come across as particularly intelligent (long before his use of the French n-word) That wouldn't play too well up North or out West.
Yeah those are real disqualifiers:
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09-13-2010, 07:10 PM
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Allen does have a very Southern "style", however, which is ironic for someone not born in the South. And he didn't come across as particularly intelligent (long before his use of the French n-word)
Allen is a creepy guy, even for a politician. Born in Whittier and spent most of teenage years in Palos Verdes. Yet, he wore a confederate flag in his senior high school year book...he graduated from P.V. High! It's one thing to "hide" behind claims of "regional pride" for white southern politicians. But this chump never lived in the south unitil his sophmore year in college. Very disturbing....
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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