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Old 10-04-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Well, of course not. You're using an extreme example. Usually what happens is a lot more subtle. And that's the problem, it's harder to put your finger on it when it's more subtle, but that doesn't mean there are no effects.
Okay then: Someone who will lose an extra $80 out of their $40k. It's the whole "can't see the forest for the trees," "selling the farm for the pig."
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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Oh god, around the time that Obama got elected, I remember how there were soooooooo many small business owners, white-collar businessmen, and other people who were hard-working, self-made, upwardly-mobile businesspeople who threw their hands up, went on Yahoo answers, and started telling everyone how they were going to teach America a lesson: they were going to give up their businesses and quit their high-paying, 70-hour-per-week jobs as CEO's and VP's, and go on welfare since from now on, the government was just gonna give everyone a free ride.

Stupidest load of garbage I've heard in my life.

"Well, what's the incentive for me to work hard and make money if you're just gonna give a bunch of handouts to lazy immigrants?" they'd quip, like that's the most unanswerable, rhetorical question ever.

What's the incentive not to live on foodstamps and section 8 vouchers? The ability to buy the sort of food you want and live in the place you want. What's the incentive to make $40k instead of $30k? What's the incentive to make $100k over $80k? Anyone who's actually spent the effort to create a career and financial stability for themselves knows the answer to this: self-determination and stability, which you will never have if you are living off of government handouts in a trailerpark or a low-income housing block.

I lived in government housing for much of my childhood because my dad was military; everyone had a limited income, but most lived within their means. When we lived off-base, we lived in lower-income, working-class neighborhoods. Sure, in those neighborhoods, there were two types of people: people who had fallen into a groove and had accepted it, and people who were working hand-over-fist to try to get to a point where they could get the hell out of there, have a decent place in a decent area, wear decent clothes, send their kids to decent schools, and drive a decent car. They wanted to live with dignity.

I doubt that there is anyone in this country who, barring an emotional breakdown, would go "well shoot, if the government is going to tax an extra $900 per year out of my $200k/year earnings, I'm just going to say 'screw it all' and give up everything I've ever worked for over the course of my life to live in a trailer, drive an '88 Caprice, and shop at Goodwill." Just plain will not happen.
I hear you.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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Re: Shark attacks and 949.

I don't know what 949 is, I usually stay up in North County, so I guess you guys mean there hasn't been a shark attack in the North County area versus the more southern beaches like Solana Beach. Are there more sharks in Solana, Pacific Beach, La Jolla etc. than North County beaches (Carlsbad, Oceanside), and if so, why is that the case?

Re: It's commendable that California is humane.

Yes, I agree, but unfortunately being humane is too expensive, that's why California is broke and socialism doesn't work.

Re: My homeowner friend will move to trailer park if Prop goes through.

I don't think she would move out of the SD private home she has lived in for 30 years either, but she says she couldn't afford a tax hike on her big home sitting on a few acres. She is working in real estate, and even though her earnings got hit with the economic slowdown, she claims she is still doing ok. If the Prop ever goes through, Ca. will probably have lots more homes sitting on the market for sale if most of the homeowners are thinking like she is.

Re: Corporations moving out of Ca. in 2010.

Very depressing news. When I was in Ca. I got a red light camera ticket and the paperwork that came to my house regarding the ticket was processed in Arizona! I thought of the irony immediately, Ca. is making of money off red light cameras, yet they don't even employ Californians to process the work! Hollywood sold Ca. down the river years ago when they started to film in cheaper locations.

As an aside: I spent about $3,000 on my California trip in 2008 (house rental, car rental, airlines, restaurants, Petco Park, gasoline etc.) yet the thanks I got was getting stuck with a $400 red light camera ticket at a confusing intersection (I wasn't speeding) that even the locals avoid (I found out later) not to get a ticket, yet an illegal can stay in Ca. with no financial penalty! I could have used that $400 and paid for another plane trip out there (instead of paying for the traffic ticket) and spent another $3,000, but the businesses lost out on my money because after that happened and the judge didn't show me any leniency, I didn't feel like visiting Ca. again and I haven't been out there since, but I'm not ruling out another visit in the near future. My cousin, who is a SD resident, got a red light camera ticket, but the judge waived the fine, but they should be waiving/reducing the fine for tourists who are spending lots of money there, but are not familiar with the roads, just like they let the CA. residents off so easy.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Here's a great article about the current state of affairs, from a transplant who moved out of the state recently: California, There It Went
I read that article and while much of it is true I had to laugh about corruption being absent. Just because one doesn't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Re: It's commendable that California is humane.

Yes, I agree, but unfortunately being humane is too expensive, that's why California is broke and socialism doesn't work.
Except that California is not socialist. There is nothing even close to "socialism" that exists in the US unless you follow tea party rhetoric.

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Very depressing news. When I was in Ca. I got a red light camera ticket and the paperwork that came to my house regarding the ticket was processed in Arizona! I thought of the irony immediately, Ca. is making of money off red light cameras, yet they don't even employ Californians to process the work! Hollywood sold Ca. down the river years ago when they started to film in cheaper locations.
Yep, it pisses me off too. The same thing has happened en masse in the US with call centers outsourced to India, and public infrastructure projects outsourced to Chinese steel and concrete companies when we have how many thousands here in the US? This is a national problem. I think that businesses that decide that they'd rather pay some ******* in Mumbai $1/hr to answer phones for American should get hit with a tax levy that'll send an additional $9/hr into a big pot for unemployed Americans who'd love to work, but can't because someone's christmas bonus will be $9 million instead of $9.5.

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As an aside: I spent about $3,000 on my California trip in 2008 (house rental, car rental, airlines, restaurants, Petco Park, gasoline etc.) yet the thanks I got was getting stuck with a $400 red light camera ticket at a confusing intersection (I wasn't speeding) that even the locals avoid (I found out later) not to get a ticket, yet an illegal can stay in Ca. with no financial penalty! I could have used that $400 and paid for another plane trip out there (instead of paying for the traffic ticket) and spent another $3,000, but the businesses lost out on my money because after that happened and the judge didn't show me any leniency, I didn't feel like visiting Ca. again and I haven't been out there since, but I'm not ruling out another visit in the near future. My cousin, who is a SD resident, got a red light camera ticket, but the judge waived the fine, but they should be waiving/reducing the fine for tourists who are spending lots of money there, but are not familiar with the roads, just like they let the CA. residents off so easy.
You do realize how absurd this sounds, right?

You're basically saying that there should be a well-paying tourist waiver that gets you leniency on infractions because you came and spent money here. Is there any state in the US that does anything like this?

Listen, honey: every year, I spend about 20x what you did in the state of California, and so do many, many hundreds of thousands of other people here. There are folks who spend millions here and pay parking tickets because they weren't used to the rules on the street they parked on; speeding tickets because they didn't see that it went from 45 to 25; and stoplight cameras because they went through a busy, confusing intersection in an area they never venture into.

Oh yeah... we also pay lots of taxes here; doesn't everyone love pointing that out about California? So going on about how you should get a pass on an infraction because you spent a few grand here is just perplexing to me.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:14 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I'm from Pennsylvania and visited a friend in the Carlsbad area a few weeks ago and was stunned at what I saw. Years ago I was there and I thought it was amazing. It was like Heaven. I even thought about moving there myself. Thank God I didn't. My friend moved there from PA and is coming back. He regrets moving and tells me how he knows lots of people that moved to CA from all over the country and are moving back. There are no jobs at all, housing is insanely expensive, people are rude and so self-invovled, Mexicans are everywhere. I saw all of these things firsthand and was shocked. I'm not trying to trash your state, but you guys really need to get your act together. I saw Mexicans wearing shirts that showed a map of North America with the Mexican flag covering Mexico, California, and most of the southwest. I've personally heard Mexicans say stuff like "We own this state now" and nobody batted an eyelash. If a Mexican said that in Pittsburgh he'd end up laying in an alley with a bullet in his brain. And what's with all those weirdos demanding I sign some petition to support or oppose some proposition? How many freakin' propositions do you guys got??? And the Chargers being blacked out..pathetic. Hell, the weather isn't even that great anymore! I left Pittsburgh when it was 86 and sunny. It was 71 and sunny in San Diego. Meh. I'll stay where I'm at. It's just a shame that a once fantastic state has taken such a dramatic nosedive. I could see a craphole like New Jersey going downhill...but California?!??! What happened? How did it get to this???
Only someone who is too poor and ignorant to live in California or New Jersey would say such things. Pennsylvanians seem to fit that description...

Your crappy state can take lessons from California and NJ, it's no wonder homes cost more in our states and salaries are higher in our states. Heck, without NJ, PA would be anothere Kentucky, which is why we call it "Pennsyltucky" - except it wouldn't be nearly as beautiful as Kentucky.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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Oh wonderful, yet another "what happened to California?" topic from an Easterner.
So? It's true. You guys destroyed the state we EOMs made.

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Too many people from Penna moving here?
No. Too many people from PA who moved to Cali and had kids and grandkids who turned out to be losers.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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What is keeping you here, Mr. Steel7? I constantly see you slamming California while singing the praises of where you came from (somewhere in PA, I believe). Why don't you just GTFO?
That really isn't a valid response. Just because you silence dissent doesn't mean you're correct or have won the point.
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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I can tell you what happened to California:

40+ years of ruling by liberal/socialists. Entitlement programs, San Francisco, Berkeley, and Santa Cruz. This state is run by thumb sucking, bed wetting, tree hugging liberals and it has ran, a once great state, into the ground.
You're exactly right. California was still Real America into the mid 60's, when it started to fall apart.
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Old 10-06-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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California was an amazing place in the 60's. New neighborhoods going up, new freeways being built, businesses growing and still plenty of room to move around. And the SFV where I grew up had few illegals outside of Pacoima and San Fernando - both places where we lived. Even much of Los Angeles was still nice in the 60s.

Now the best word to describe the entire area is cesspool.
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