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Unread 10-13-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Really depends on where. Some places don't have high uynemployment at all. Some sectors don't have high unemployment at all.

Latest Orange County Unemployment Numbers, sorted by lowest unemployment:


city rate

Foothill Ranch CDP 3.2%

Coto de Caza CDP 4.2%
Las Flores CDP 4.7%

Aliso Viejo CDP 5.1%
Portola Hills CDP 5.3%
Los Alamitos city 5.4%
Villa Park city 5.6%

Rossmoor CDP 6.0%
Newport Beach city 6.1%
Rancho Santa Margarita city 6.2%
Tustin Foothills CDP 6.2%
Yorba Linda city 6.4%
Brea city 6.6%
Lake Forest city 6.7%

Dana Point city 7.0%
Mission Viejo city 7.0%
Laguna Beach city 7.1%
Seal Beach city 7.1%
Irvine city 7.3%
Laguna Niguel city 7.5%
San Clemente city 7.8%
Huntington Beach city 7.9%

Fountain Valley city 8.0%
Laguna Hills city 8.2%
San Juan Capistrano city 8.5%
Costa Mesa city 8.6%
Placentia city 8.6%
Orange city 8.9%

Tustin city 9.5%

Cypress city 10.2%
La Palma city 10.7%
Westminster city 10.7%
Fullerton city 10.8%
La Habra city 10.8%

Buena Park city 12.0%
Garden Grove city 12.0%
Anaheim city 12.3%

Laguna Woods city 13.1%

Santa Ana city 15.1%
Stanton city 15.3%

From

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/oransub.xls
If you're unemployed it's going to be pretty stuff to remain in those places at the top of your list.
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Unread 10-13-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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California doesn't want to be Texas!

I had a friend who was an ultra-Republican Texan. He bragged about the state up and down. Guess what? He died of leukemia at 60, probably because of all that pollution Texas seems proud to have.

If Texas wants unregulated polluting businesses, I say let them have them. Ruin their water supply. I don't care. Texas is picking these companies. They value business over everything else. That's a surefire recipe for disaster.
You really don't know anything about Texas do you?

Do you really know why your friend died of leukemia? People in sparkling clean areas also die of leukemia. Texas has better air quality than California. Look at the "worst 25" list of the American Lung Association's State of the Air report for 2010. California cities crowd the lists for ozone and particle pollution. Texas is the #1 energy producing state in the US, yet has better air quality.

Texas doesn't regulate business as much as California. That is true. But we do regulate and enforce pollution regulations. Some here would do less. But most of the population, including me, would probably do a little bit more.

What disaster is coming for Texas? The only disaster I can think of is too many people moving here from other places where life is a mess.

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Unread 10-13-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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Rednecks build things and are willing to get in the trenches. Maybe California needs more rednecks.

Maybe California should be more like Chile. Chile's Rednecks make Chile look pretty impressive.

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you can have TX (most of it anyway)........too redneck for me..
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Unread 10-13-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Easy. People need to save more when times are good and spend more when times are bad but they don't do it. Right now I'd put a steeply progressive tax on wealth and higher incomes, forcing more money into consumption. I'd also jack up the money supply causing a healthy dose of inflation to lift wages and raise the value of homes above what's owed on them so people can sell and move where jobs are more available. We're stuck and nobody has the cojones to try the bold but unpopular things that would be required to get us unstuck. The rich whine about such measures but they would work. Sorry, but I'm not willing to let people die in the streets to maintain some crazy free market moralistic philosophy.
Exactly how do you tax "wealth?" Are you going to tax investments whose gains are not realized? Tax personal property like cars? Wealthy people have proven time and time again they will find a way to minimize the taxes they pay. Income and assets would move away from the taxing locality - whether it is California or the USA. Raising taxes on incomes would exaggerate California's already too-high dependency on a volatile tax revenue source.

How does raising the value of homes make it easier to sell them? Who will buy them if the homes are now more expensive? During periods of high inflation, interest rates rise strongly, reducing affordability and buying power. The middle class would be negatively impacted most by this. Have you helped anything?

Jacking up the money supply - how? Increase lending? Lower interest rates? Or do you simply want the California (Federal) government to get bigger? Borrow more money and hire more public workers? Increase the deficit beyond the already ridiculous amounts?
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Unread 10-13-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Not another let's bash the redneck Texans and the commie pinko Californians thread. I don't buy it:

1) The commie liberal Californians are busy producing some of America's highest value exports: high tech in Silicon Valley and entertainment in Los Angeles.

2) Meanwhile the redneck Texans have an openly gay mayor in Houston, etc.


The linked report from Stanford's Center for the Continuing Study of the Calif. Economy is a pretty good summary of the state's current unemployment mess.

http://www.ccsce.com/PDF/Numbers-Sep...yment-High.pdf

The bottom line of the report is: Calfornia is in a bad spot but perhaps NOT as bad as the early 1990's when the aerospace industry went bust. The end of the Cold War meant most of those high paying jobs were NOT coming back. This time we have suffered a steep "cyclical" downturn in construction/housing related jobs and to a lesser extent trade related jobs. Easier to recover from that than a complete structural realignment like the ealry 1990's.
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Unread 10-13-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Richmond, CA
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California doesn't want to be Texas!

I had a friend who was an ultra-Republican Texan. He bragged about the state up and down. Guess what? He died of leukemia at 60, probably because of all that pollution Texas seems proud to have.

If Texas wants unregulated polluting businesses, I say let them have them. Ruin their water supply. I don't care. Texas is picking these companies. They value business over everything else. That's a surefire recipe for disaster.
You know, there is report after report and even some documentaries about states like Texas. Louisiana is another one of those. They put everything above their environment and people are getting sick from weird crap. After studying what went wrong, it always goes back to what certain businesses did in the local area.

Yeah jobs in Ca. are very hard to come by. Trust me I know. However, I would rather keep searching and searching and frustrating as it can be and have my health. If Texas wants to go down that route let them.

What's with all these Texas lovers trying to convert us into them anyway?
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Unread 10-13-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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Think about it a bit. I understand it goes beyond most peoples' comfort zones but it may be the only measures standing between us and significant political and social instability. Perhaps you'd prefer to read to them from The Wealth of Nations as the starving mob ransacks your neighborhood.

These would have to be done at the Federal level so would not cause anyone to move out of state, and it's highly unlikely many individuals will move overseas. That's just too big a hurdle for most folks plus they would not be able to work legally in most other countries. Devaluing the currency would boost exports, reduce the amount of cheap chinese junk we buy, and increase the amount of goods produced domestically. Rising home values would reduce foreclosures and short sales. To keep corporations in the country we could reduce or eliminate the corporate income tax which is just passed along to consumers anyway.

I will admit that lenders would get screwed royally under my plan.

But we don't need home values to rise, that's the problem there artificially too high. Home values need to come back down to earth to a level that's reasonable again.
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Unread 10-13-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Richmond, CA
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Rednecks build things and are willing to get in the trenches. Maybe California needs more rednecks.

Maybe California should be more like Chile. Chile's Rednecks make Chile look pretty impressive.
LMAO @ Chilean rednecks
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Unread 10-13-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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You know, there is report after report and even some documentaries about states like Texas. Louisiana is another one of those. They put everything above their environment and people are getting sick from weird crap. After studying what went wrong, it always goes back to what certain businesses did in the local area.

Yeah jobs in Ca. are very hard to come by. Trust me I know. However, I would rather keep searching and searching and frustrating as it can be and have my health. If Texas wants to go down that route let them.

What's with all these Texas lovers trying to convert us into them anyway?
I'm certainly not trying to convert any Californians to Texans. Texas, either the government or its citizens, do not put everything above their environment.

Do you believe your air quality or water quality is better than mine in the Austin area? There is no data to show that might be true. For some reason many have an idea that our air is unbreathable and full of carcinogens. If you travel to the refinery areas south of Houston you will know you are in the vicinity of petrochemicals. But the rest of Texas' large cities have air quality better than most of California's large cities, and in some cases much better.
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Unread 10-13-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Richmond, CA
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I'm certainly not trying to convert any Californians to Texans. Texas, either the government or its citizens, do not put everything above their environment.

Do you believe your air quality or water quality is better than mine in the Austin area? There is no data to show that might be true. For some reason many have an idea that our air is unbreathable and full of carcinogens. If you travel to the refinery areas south of Houston you will know you are in the vicinity of petrochemicals. But the rest of Texas' large cities have air quality better than most of California's large cities, and in some cases much better.
But the question still remains, why do we out here care how Texas does things?
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