Obama (Eric Holder) should stay out of California's Marijuana Vote (law, legal)

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Nobody is taking him seriously. I surely didn't.

Good for you I care less

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Roaddog back up your claim that Cal is the laughing stock.

Well Obama's drug czar or whatever he's called and The Attorney General laughed at Californians for thinking that legalizing weed would put the cartels out of business so your Feds are sure laughing along with Ca government and more than half the people of Ca.
I started out being for it but after reading the prop it's obvious it lacks any substance regarding employment testing, DUI testing and such. How about the Fed grants that will be lost because of the requirements for a drug free work place? How many jobs will that cost us? How about all the legal fee’s for the lawsuits people will file because of drug testing in the workplace? Way to many things that need to be covered before such a prop is passed..

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Well Obama's drug czar or whatever he's called and The Attorney General laughed at Californians for thinking that legalizing weed would put the cartels out of business so your Feds are sure laughing along with Ca government and more than half the people of Ca.

That's just silly people who think the cartels will go out of business or that California can balance its budget on pot taxes.

There's only two reasons why legalizing pot makes sense: (1) it will save money on enforcement, incarceration and parole supervision, and (2) because half or nearly half of the voters want it legalized.

I didn't see the AG laughing at the news conference. In fact he looked sort of constipated.

[jazznblues]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Roaddog back up your claim that Cal is the laughing stock. Except for during this recession it was always listed near the top of places Americans wanted to move to. In fact more Americans moved to California over the past 50 years than anywhere else. California specifically the Univ California System is still the best public educational system in the country ..if not the world.

Obi marijuana laws should be determined state-by-state. Cal is not responsible for the other states. You might also know that when marijuana was legal in every state California became the first state to make it illegal.

Since the US Census started tracking this 20 years ago more Americans have been leaving California than they have been moving in. California's population growth since 1991 is driven by births and immigrants.

California Population and Components of Change

People may say they want to move to California, but they aren't doing it.

[ocean2026]

Jazz that is absolutely wrong.
State Population Facts - California

Cal Population 1990 29.8 Million 2000 33.9 Million projected 2010 38,067,00

California has lost population the last few years and lost for perhaps a year when the internet silicon lost jobs Its still the biggest state and it can't grow every year or even every decade. It has actually doubled since 1970 adding as many people as New York has in its entirety.

Roadhouse- MOD CUT You back up your claims by saying you think Obama was laughing at California? That shows California is a laughing stock????? Obama may just be saying this to get some conservative vote although many conservatives are for less govt.

[jazznblues]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Jazz that is absolutely wrong.
State Population Facts - California

Cal Population 1990 29.8 Million 2000 33.9 Million projected 2010 38,067,00

California has lost population the last few years and lost for perhaps a year when the internet silicon lost jobs Its still the biggest state and it can't grow every year or even every decade. It has actually doubled since 1970 adding as many people as New York has in its entirety.

Roadhouse- MOD CUT You back up your claims by saying you think Obama was laughing at California? That shows California is a laughing stock????? Obama may just be saying this to get some conservative vote although many conservatives are for less govt.

MOD CUT I didn't say California's population was not growing. I said it wasn't growing because Americans were moving to CA. CA's population is growing because people are having babies, and non-Americans are moving there. Americans are moving out of California. The data you cite agrees with what I listed for 2000.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

California [is] still the biggest state and it can't grow every year or even every decade. It has actually doubled since 1970 adding as many people as New York has in its entirety.

That makes no sense and you're just stating an opinion. There is no reason California cannot grow every year except for stagnation, and that's exactly what's happening (IMO).

[ocean2026]

During recessions people are much less likely to move but I see we have gotten way off the subject. which was .. wait let me look at the title about Eric Holder and Obama taking a stand in California business. If they really wanted to do this - they should have made the announcement after the election.

[Beaconowner]

Originally Posted by Roaddog

Well Obama's drug czar or whatever he's called and The Attorney General laughed at Californians for thinking that legalizing weed would put the cartels out of business so your Feds are sure laughing along with Ca government and more than half the people of Ca.
I started out being for it but after reading the prop it's obvious it lacks any substance regarding employment testing, DUI testing and such. How about the Fed grants that will be lost because of the requirements for a drug free work place? How many jobs will that cost us? How about all the legal fee’s for the lawsuits people will file because of drug testing in the workplace? Way to many things that need to be covered before such a prop is passed..

This is what the prop 19 wording is:

"Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected."

"This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving"

What part of this wording obviously lacks any substance?

[Beaconowner]

Originally Posted by Xplorer

They already de-criminalized marijuana in California.. Your not going to jail or getting arrested or being high anymore.

Decriminalization of an oz. of marijuana doesn't address the issues, keeps the profits going to the criminals, and at some point it means you have to interact with a criminal.

All those ounces have to come from somewhere that is still illegal.

Taxation and regulation would be a much better option and would have more of a chance of keeping it out of the hands of minors.