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Old 10-24-2010, 08:54 PM
 
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Totally unconstitutional but it would be great if CA could charge a $5,000 inbound relocation tax and provide a $5,000 outbound relocation credit.
I'd love that! I'm outbound in very early 2011 and I'd promise to not let the door hit me in the asp!
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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California is broke, but Californians aren't that broke. Like I've said before, I haven't seen anyone standing in soup lines yet, and that won't ever happen. One of my cousins is a massage therapist, hasn't lost his job and doesn't look like he will. His wife is a nurse and her job is secure. My other cousin works for UPS and his job is secure. My good friend is police officer and his department is not laying off officers. My other friend just landed a good job with an energy company. My other friend is a football coach for a college and his job isn't going anywhere. My other friend is a cook at a boarding school and his job is secure. My other friend owns bars in a college town and he has barely even been effected by the recession. My other friend's dad is a business consultant and his wife is an independent architect. They haven't been too effected by the recession.

Its true, a lot of places that always traditonally hire aren't hiring right now, and lay offs are taking place just like other states, but this whole thing about California turning into a Haiti is just ridiculous. California will be just fine and I don't know many people who feel the need to move.
So, did you watch 60 minutes tonight? If not, you should on the CBS website. Soup lines in Silicon Valley ...
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of the Aux Arcs
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So, did you watch 60 minutes tonight? If not, you should on the CBS website. Soup lines in Silicon Valley ...
Saw that and it really is heartbreaking for many of the families involved and for seasoned workers who have lost it all and have little recovery time left.

That being said, just as the self-proclaimed shopoholic had to quit cold-turkey, I hope others take a lesson and when and if they're back on their feet, live within their means to include SAVINGS. Too many people had none to begin with over and above retirement funds. They spent freely. Now they're paying for the consumption and their retirement has evaporated.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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Saw that and it really is heartbreaking for many of the families involved and for seasoned workers who have lost it all and have little recovery time left.

That being said, just as the self-proclaimed shopoholic had to quit cold-turkey, I hope others take a lesson and when and if they're back on their feet, live within their means to include SAVINGS. Too many people had none to begin with over and above retirement funds. They spent freely. Now they're paying for the consumption and their retirement has evaporated.
It is heartbreaking and very scary. This situation is not exclusive to Silicon Valley and the problem is getting worse, much worse. The people just now going on unemployment won't get 99 weeks like these people. They will be on the street much sooner with no support.

What makes me mad is everything the government has done to date is anti-business resulting in more lost jobs. There has been no real action that will create jobs and put people back to work.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Saw that and it really is heartbreaking for many of the families involved and for seasoned workers who have lost it all and have little recovery time left.

That being said, just as the self-proclaimed shopoholic had to quit cold-turkey, I hope others take a lesson and when and if they're back on their feet, live within their means to include SAVINGS. Too many people had none to begin with over and above retirement funds. They spent freely. Now they're paying for the consumption and their retirement has evaporated.
People always think they're above something like that happening to them until it happens. After working for over 20 years straight in Information Services, I was given the boot 5 years ago just before my previous employer closed the local branch, and considered myself very fortunate when I got hired at my present job just a couple months shy of COBRA expiring at nearly $10 an hour less. Don't count on me to help this state's economy by buying goods and services that aren't absolutely necessary, because my teats have been sucked dry from the cost of fixed expenses. I don't even have a cell phone.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:58 PM
 
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It's not just legal and illegal immigrants it's Americans too. There are Americans who practically get paid to have children. Out of work, don't want to or can't go to School, no money for rent, no problem have a kid to stay out of a shelter and get your own private apartment with food stamps and extra food from food banks.

I hear from people who have relatives in Florida that they are trying to get out but can't sell their homes. The cost of living has gone up so much they just can't afford to live there anymore.
Yes I realize that Americans also do that but the birth rate of Americans is actually now below 2 children per couple - I'm sure the average for the welfare class is higher than that of the working class, but just because we have too many welfare types already with our own citizens, doesn't mean it's smart to offer our welfare handouts to any one who will show up.

Yet we do and illegals have a very very high birth rate and they tend to have babies at a very young age. Over half of Mexican girls living here have at least one child before age 20. Many have 3 or 4 children before age 20. That isn't going to bode well for the future.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:31 PM
 
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Totally unconstitutional but it would be great if CA could charge a $5,000 inbound relocation tax and provide a $5,000 outbound relocation credit.
And we could issue the outbound relocation credit as an IOU!
That should save the state!
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:38 PM
 
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What makes me mad is everything the government has done to date is anti-business resulting in more lost jobs. There has been no real action that will create jobs and put people back to work.
I don't know if there is going to be an easy way to create jobs.

Many of the jobs that aren't being outsourced or sent to other countries are being automated. They are using machines to replace people. I heard that one of the fast food places is experimenting with some kiosk thing that will eliminate counter help. Grocery stores and places like Walmart are getting "self checkout lines." (That's all they had at Fresh & Easy when we went there.) Banks want people to use the ATMs, not the teller.

My insurance company has eliminated all secretaries, receptionists, even their offices. They have a phone system that is almost useless that directs you around and around in a circle. The adjusters are working out of their homes covering more than one insurance company.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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I don't know if there is going to be an easy way to create jobs.

Many of the jobs that aren't being outsourced or sent to other countries are being automated. They are using machines to replace people. I heard that one of the fast food places is experimenting with some kiosk thing that will eliminate counter help. Grocery stores and places like Walmart are getting "self checkout lines." (That's all they had at Fresh & Easy when we went there.) Banks want people to use the ATMs, not the teller.

My insurance company has eliminated all secretaries, receptionists, even their offices. They have a phone system that is almost useless that directs you around and around in a circle. The adjusters are working out of their homes covering more than one insurance company.
We have to create jobs or we can kiss our society as we know it goodbye. You start creating jobs by creating a business friendly environment instead of anti-business which is currently the plan. A good start would be to cut taxes and business environmental regulations, repeal Obamacare and take the cap and trade off the table. We need to give confidence back to the small business entrepreneurs.
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Old 10-25-2010, 12:09 AM
 
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Didn't several NEW Auto plants open in California lately?
They are recovering faster than a lot of other states.
I dunno about that one. They just closed the auto plant in Fremont a few months back and consolidated to a more business friendly state with lower taxes and labor costs.
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