LA vs San Diego vs San Francisco Bay Area? (Montclair: home, legal)

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Downtown LA is the premier wholesale shopping area of the entire West Coast. Its not a place for uppity boutiques--for that you can go to the Westside or the suburbs. I appreciate all the residential development going on in Downtown LA because they are attracting counter-culture monied types who will assist in transforming DT LA into a mecca for edgier types which will be reflected new kinds of restaurants and nightclubs in LA-its already happening. I LOVE the Disney Concert Hall(SO JEALOUS).

LA has the best collection of museums on the West Coast(I can never get enough of them), and I would say only NY and possibly DC compare in that aspect. LA has cultural amenities rivaled by nowhere except NYC. LA is a party town and a place to get lost, LA can be laid back and hurried at the same time. LA can be high class and no class depending on what your looking for. You can drive to Inner LA(Downtown, Westside) and be in the thick of it and then retreat to the coast and feel like your in a resort far from urban cares.

That ability to enjoy the best of man and nature is something that urban Californians have been blessed with, be it LA, SD or SF. I really like that.

Anyway, Downtown LA shouldnt be held to a different standard because most downtowns suck royally-at least Downtown LA is very vibrant unlike 90% of the downtowns out there that only seem busy during lunch hour. LOL

Anyway, you can't assume that just because there are a lot of hispanics, that LA is overrun by illegals. That's not fair.

Excellent post, especially the part about nature. All three of these areas offer not only different urban settings, but the nature around them is also very distinct and unique, take it from a nature nut

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Downtown LA is the premier wholesale shopping area of the entire West Coast. Its not a place for uppity boutiques--for that you can go to the Westside or the suburbs. I appreciate all the residential development going on in Downtown LA because they are attracting counter-culture monied types who will assist in transforming DT LA into a mecca for edgier types which will be reflected new kinds of restaurants and nightclubs in LA-its already happening. I LOVE the Disney Concert Hall(SO JEALOUS).

LA has the best collection of museums on the West Coast(I can never get enough of them), and I would say only NY and possibly DC compare in that aspect. LA has cultural amenities rivaled by nowhere except NYC. LA is a party town and a place to get lost, LA can be laid back and hurried at the same time. LA can be high class and no class depending on what your looking for. You can drive to Inner LA(Downtown, Westside) and be in the thick of it and then retreat to the coast and feel like your in a resort far from urban cares.

That ability to enjoy the best of man and nature is something that urban Californians have been blessed with, be it LA, SD or SF. I really like that.

Anyway, Downtown LA shouldnt be held to a different standard because most downtowns suck royally-at least Downtown LA is very vibrant unlike 90% of the downtowns out there that only seem busy during lunch hour. LOL

Anyway, you can't assume that just because there are a lot of hispanics, that LA is overrun by illegals. That's not fair.

I don't assume, I know it is overrun by illegal alien Mexicans and their families. Some of them are my blood.

[BVitamin]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Downtown LA is the premier wholesale shopping area of the entire West Coast. Its not a place for uppity boutiques--for that you can go to the Westside or the suburbs. I appreciate all the residential development going on in Downtown LA because they are attracting counter-culture monied types who will assist in transforming DT LA into a mecca for edgier types which will be reflected new kinds of restaurants and nightclubs in LA-its already happening. I LOVE the Disney Concert Hall(SO JEALOUS).

LA has the best collection of museums on the West Coast(I can never get enough of them), and I would say only NY and possibly DC compare in that aspect. LA has cultural amenities rivaled by nowhere except NYC. LA is a party town and a place to get lost, LA can be laid back and hurried at the same time. LA can be high class and no class depending on what your looking for. You can drive to Inner LA(Downtown, Westside) and be in the thick of it and then retreat to the coast and feel like your in a resort far from urban cares.

That ability to enjoy the best of man and nature is something that urban Californians have been blessed with, be it LA, SD or SF. I really like that.

Anyway, Downtown LA shouldnt be held to a different standard because most downtowns suck royally-at least Downtown LA is very vibrant unlike 90% of the downtowns out there that only seem busy during lunch hour. LOL

Anyway, you can't assume that just because there are a lot of hispanics, that LA is overrun by illegals. That's not fair.

In bold, uh what? If you were to combine all the art museums in California it still wouldn't even compare to the Met alone.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by bulldogdad

I don't assume, I know it is overrun by illegal alien Mexicans and their families. Some of them are my blood.

You know your experience, but that's not the norm.

The overwhelming vast majority of Hispanics in Los Angeles are either US citizens or naturalized residents.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by BVitamin

In bold, uh what? If you were to combine all the art museums in California it still wouldn't even compare to the Met alone.

Perhaps, but after NYC, can any city compare to LA's museums except possibly DC?

I dont think so.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

You know your experience, but that's not the norm.

The overwhelming vast majority of Hispanics in Los Angeles are either US citizens or naturalized residents.

It not just my experiance it's a fact:

Study: Number of illegal immigrants drops for first time in two decades - The Daily Breeze



The study released Wednesday estimates that 11.1 million illegal immigrants lived in the U.S. in 2009. That represents a decrease of roughly 1 million, or 8 percent, from a peak of 12 million in 2007.

In California, the decline from 2008 to 2009 was 4 percent, but the state is still home to nearly a quarter of the nation's population of illegal immigrants.

The study also says illegal immigrants now comprise 6.9 percent of California's population - the highest percentage in the country.

Despite the decline, Los Angeles County officials said they have seen an increase in the costs of providing services to undocumented immigrants and in the number of citizen children of undocumented parents receiving food stamps and welfare benefits.

The amount of money the county spends on health, welfare and criminal justice services for undocumented immigrants increased from $1 billion in 2008 to $1.4 billion in 2009, according to figures provided by county Supervisor Mike Antonovich. By including the education costs for the children of undocumented immigrants, said Antonovich spokesman Tony Bell, said the annual costs now exceed $2 billion.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by bulldogdad

The study also says illegal immigrants now comprise 6.9 percent of California's population - the highest percentage in the country.

Even if this is true, that does not constitute "OVERRUN".

2.6 Million out of 38 Million is much less than Im sure many are thinking.

Also, the study says the the number of illegals in the US is actually down.

Furthermore, I am wholeheartedly against Illegal Immigration-its wrong and we need to deal with the border ASAP.

But I don't think we need to get swept away by paranoia and fearmongering(not talking about you btw)-what's done is done. Now we need to come up with realistic solutions to the problem at hand and prevent it from getting worse.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Even if this is true, that does not constitute "OVERRUN".

2.6 Million out of 38 Million is much less than Im sure many are thinking.

Also, the study says the the number of illegals in the US is actually down.

Furthermore, I am wholeheartedly against Illegal Immigration-its wrong and we need to deal with the border ASAP.

But I don't think we need to get swept away by paranoia and fearmongering(not talking about you btw)-what's done is done. Now we need to come up with realistic solutions to the problem at hand and prevent it from getting worse.

No fear here with this Chicano, I just present the facts. This state is home to a Quarter of all the US illegal aliens. That would qualify as "OVERRUN" in any dictionary. Ask LA county residents if they want their 2 billion dollars back. You can minimize this situation all you want. The facts remain this state is infested with illegal aliens.

Here is the actually study. Try not to focus on the title again. It's the meat that counts.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/126.pdf

[BacktoBlue]

I met a former Angelino yesterday who moved to SD from LA and he said people down here are nowhere near as materialistic as folks in LA and San Francisco. He said he got so tired of the snobby attitude of residents that he just couldn't take it anymore so he moved down here to SD. He said that he finds people down here more genuine and friendly then those in LA and SF.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by bulldogdad

No fear here with this Chicano, I just present the facts.

The fact is the number of illegal immigration is down. That is a fact according to your own source.

This state is home to a Quarter of all the US illegal aliens. That would qualify as "OVERRUN" in any dictionary.

No, not really. I think you need to find a better dictionary.

Ask LA county residents if they want their 2 billion dollars back. You can minimize this situation all you want. The facts remain this state is infested with illegal aliens.

Well deporting them isnt going to get your 2 Billion dollars back is it?

Why don't we send the felons back and make everyone else pay a fine and then put them on a path to legal status?

And then make secure the border like its a prison? I don't mind doing that to be honest.

Here is the actually study. Try not to focus on the title again. It's the meat that counts.
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/126.pdf

Why would I discredit the title of this study? Pew is one of the foremost polling and survey organizations in the country.