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Old 11-10-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Coachella Valley, California
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Ax him what??? What's the question?
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:40 AM
 
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Ax him what??? What's the question?
I'm literally LOL.
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Old 11-10-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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There are a lot of political appointment positions which are redundant because of the many changes to government organization over the decades. Jerry Brown's record from the last time he was governor is that he likes to eliminate such waste and that's a good thing. We're all for responsible government and no one wants waste even if we disagree exactly what the roll of government should be. It seems Brown really does want to fill his campaign promise to cut the state budget by 15%.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Brown tax and spend?! When he was governor in the 70s and 80s:

But Governor Brown was much more of a fiscal conservative than Governor Reagan, even if he made arguments for austerity that the Republican would never use. (At one point, to get across the idea that a lean organization could outperform a bloated bureaucracy, he offered the example of the Viet Cong.) Reagan had raised taxes several times and boosted spending by an average of 12.2 percent a year. In his first year as governor, by contrast, Brown increased spending by just 4.6 percent, less than the rate of inflation. He wasn’t always so restrained in the rest of his reign, but he was thriftier than his predecessor, accumulating one of the biggest budget surpluses in California history. In Brown’s first gubernatorial campaign, he had denounced “recycled Reaganism.” In Brown’s first year in office, Reagan’s director of programs and policies joked that his old boss “thinks Jerry Brown has gone too far to the right.”

The American Conservative -- Five Faces of Jerry Brown
Did Brown give us a tax refund like Reagan did? Or do you choose to forget that?

Nita
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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Did Brown give us a tax refund like Reagan did? Or do you choose to forget that?

Nita
What good was that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reagan ordered an across-the-board 10-percent reduction in state spending, only to have to restore funds to a host of programs that were already so lean they could not survive the cuts. Within a year he was pressing for a major tax increase—in part to address the budget deficit, in part to give him a fiscal cushion so that he would not have to ask again. Shaped in the end by Democrats in the legislature, the final bill produced a highly progressive tax increase, the highest in the history of California (or of any other state). Reagan signed it, blaming the irresponsibility of his predecessor. When the tax increases produced a budget surplus in subsequent years, he attributed it to his administration's managerial skill. In the end, Reagan's budget was, in fact, more than twice as high as Brown's; and while much of that growth was a result of inflation, some of it was because of spending increases in the same programs that conservatives had once vowed to cut or abolish—many of them programs important to some of Reagan's critical constituencies. He worked effectively with the Democratic legislature on a series of tax and welfare reforms that were not at all consistent with the more radical agenda of Reagan's most conservative supporters. He oversaw one of the largest (and most expensive) water projects in the nation's history. And despite his harsh rhetorical attacks on the University of California for its alleged coddling of radicals, his administration was generally supportive of the system and helped it to grow. State government under Reagan, according to Gary G. Hamilton and Nicole Woolsey Biggart, did not "shrink and allow private citizens to handle their own affairs," as Reagan had once promised. "Instead government entrenched itself in many ways as a strong, effective force in California society" ( Governor Reagan, Governor Brown [New York, 1984], p. 214). Read more: Governor of california - Ronald Reagan - election Governor of california - Ronald Reagan - election
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:38 PM
 
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So far, I'm liking everything I'm seeing from him. He's living up to his "frugal" label!
Sorry to burst your dream bubble, but almost no one who lived through him in the 70s voted for him again.
He gave the government employees who are in a monopoly position the right to collective bargaining, giving us 300% overpaid government employees with in some cases nearly full pay retirement.
He is one of the main reasons we have a 500 billion deficit on retirement pensions coming real soon.
He was also a big tax increaser.
He was against the original Prop 13 to limit taxation on our homes as many were going to lose them from higher and higher taxes.

UNIONS OWN HIM, that is pretty much why he is the WORST outcome for any election in CA.

We have one party rule and unfortunatly the party is a socialist one, which is why we are bankrupt.

Brown is into doing things like driving his own car, but he will then turn around, increase your taxes and pay his union pals who turn around and pay him back.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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What good was that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reagan ordered an across-the-board 10-percent reduction in state spending, only to have to restore funds to a host of programs that were already so lean they could not survive the cuts. Within a year he was pressing for a major tax increase—in part to address the budget deficit, in part to give him a fiscal cushion so that he would not have to ask again. Shaped in the end by Democrats in the legislature, the final bill produced a highly progressive tax increase, the highest in the history of California (or of any other state). Reagan signed it, blaming the irresponsibility of his predecessor. When the tax increases produced a budget surplus in subsequent years, he attributed it to his administration's managerial skill. In the end, Reagan's budget was, in fact, more than twice as high as Brown's; and while much of that growth was a result of inflation, some of it was because of spending increases in the same programs that conservatives had once vowed to cut or abolish—many of them programs important to some of Reagan's critical constituencies. He worked effectively with the Democratic legislature on a series of tax and welfare reforms that were not at all consistent with the more radical agenda of Reagan's most conservative supporters. He oversaw one of the largest (and most expensive) water projects in the nation's history. And despite his harsh rhetorical attacks on the University of California for its alleged coddling of radicals, his administration was generally supportive of the system and helped it to grow. State government under Reagan, according to Gary G. Hamilton and Nicole Woolsey Biggart, did not "shrink and allow private citizens to handle their own affairs," as Reagan had once promised. "Instead government entrenched itself in many ways as a strong, effective force in California society" ( Governor Reagan, Governor Brown [New York, 1984], p. 214). Read more: Governor of california - Ronald Reagan - election Governor of california - Ronald Reagan - election
Reagan came in vowing to reduce government spending and size, but despite all his efforts the Democrat machine was already so strong that they increased the size of government by 20% during his tenure.
Increased their size many times over since then.

The whole state needs a firing enema of government employment welfare to a much smaller government IMO.
The government employment issue is so bad that they are bigger than the welfare and illegals issue combined IMO.
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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There are a lot of political appointment positions which are redundant because of the many changes to government organization over the decades. Jerry Brown's record from the last time he was governor is that he likes to eliminate such waste and that's a good thing. We're all for responsible government and no one wants waste even if we disagree exactly what the roll of government should be. It seems Brown really does want to fill his campaign promise to cut the state budget by 15%.
Not happening.
He is in the Union's pocket. Hundreds of millions spent by unions on Democrats in this state.

Have fun keeping that 15% in mind and see how fast it doesn't happen and goes the other way.

He could go after the unemployed and welfare people to stop benefits, but you won't see him go after 300% overpaid government employees.
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Old 11-10-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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The Legislative Analyst announced today that the state budget deficit next year could reach $25.4 billion, twice as much as our politicians originally anticipated.

It consists of $6.1 billion in the current budget year because the Legislature was too optimistic in the adopted budget. Then there is a $19.3 billion projected deficit for the new budget year that begins in July.

Won't take long to find out which side Jerry is on, his budget proposal is due in January right after he takes office.

I wonder if Jerry will keep his promise of no tax hikes without voter approval.
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