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Old 11-11-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: California
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California doesnt really lose that many jobs to other states. Its a huge LIE that is constantly repeated by disgruntled Republicans as their way to attack economic policies of Democrats.

In reality, the overwhelming number of jobs here are created and lost in California, they arent created and then moved elsewhere to any degree big enough to matter.

The Public Policy Institute took a look at the data and concluded that all this talk of companies leaving to find cheaper states to do business in actuality was widely overblown.

The study looks at the years of 1992 through 2004 and shows that California has not had a mass exodus of businesses. Most of the business relocations have occurred within California, usually to an adjacent county where land prices are cheaper.

There is the usual ebb and flow of businesses in and out of California but are replaced by new businesses that move into California or start here.

In the words of the study:

"[T]he small number of California jobs moving to other states due to business relocation is relatively inconsequential—about 11,000 jobs per year out of more than 18 million (.06 percent). Business births, deaths, contractions, and expansions have a much greater effect on employment."

Claim of California Jobs Moving Out of State Shown by Study to be a Myth - California Progress Report

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Californians continue to create far more new businesses than the total of businesses that leave the state-by a VERY WIDE MARGIN at that.



Furthermore, I find it totally ironic that somebody who brings up the MYTH that California jobs are moving en masse to TX but doesnt also bring up OUTSOURCING to India, China etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you guys dont mind that.
Words of wisdom from Alpine, NJ....

California PEOPLE are moving to other states for work!
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Declezville, CA
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I'd love to be able to go to that URL in the link so I could get a dose of spin, but it ain't working.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
California doesnt really lose that many jobs to other states. Its a huge LIE that is constantly repeated by disgruntled Republicans as their way to attack economic policies of Democrats.

In reality, the overwhelming number of jobs here are created and lost in California, they arent created and then moved elsewhere to any degree big enough to matter.

The Public Policy Institute took a look at the data and concluded that all this talk of companies leaving to find cheaper states to do business in actuality was widely overblown.

The study looks at the years of 1992 through 2004 and shows that California has not had a mass exodus of businesses. Most of the business relocations have occurred within California, usually to an adjacent county where land prices are cheaper.

There is the usual ebb and flow of businesses in and out of California but are replaced by new businesses that move into California or start here.

In the words of the study:

"[T]he small number of California jobs moving to other states due to business relocation is relatively inconsequential—about 11,000 jobs per year out of more than 18 million (.06 percent). Business births, deaths, contractions, and expansions have a much greater effect on employment."

Claim of California Jobs Moving Out of State Shown by Study to be a Myth - California Progress Report

Furthermore,
Californians continue to create far more new businesses than the total of businesses that leave the state-by a VERY WIDE MARGIN at that.



Furthermore, I find it totally ironic that somebody who brings up the MYTH that California jobs are moving en masse to TX but doesnt also bring up OUTSOURCING to India, China etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you guys dont mind that.
Well I provide you with real hard governmental statistics and all you can come up with a non working link and a news paper article. I expected better. Sorry your info and arguments hold no water. Try again.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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If I ever had to leave the state it would be to Arizona, Nevada, or New Mexico.That's it.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
California doesnt really lose that many jobs to other states. Its a huge LIE that is constantly repeated by disgruntled Republicans as their way to attack economic policies of Democrats.

In reality, the overwhelming number of jobs here are created and lost in California, they arent created and then moved elsewhere to any degree big enough to matter.

The Public Policy Institute took a look at the data and concluded that all this talk of companies leaving to find cheaper states to do business in actuality was widely overblown.

The study looks at the years of 1992 through 2004 and shows that California has not had a mass exodus of businesses. Most of the business relocations have occurred within California, usually to an adjacent county where land prices are cheaper.

There is the usual ebb and flow of businesses in and out of California but are replaced by new businesses that move into California or start here.

In the words of the study:

"[T]he small number of California jobs moving to other states due to business relocation is relatively inconsequential—about 11,000 jobs per year out of more than 18 million (.06 percent). Business births, deaths, contractions, and expansions have a much greater effect on employment."

Claim of California Jobs Moving Out of State Shown by Study to be a Myth - California Progress Report

Furthermore,
Californians continue to create far more new businesses than the total of businesses that leave the state-by a VERY WIDE MARGIN at that.
That's true in Northern California. If NorCal were a separate state it wouldn't be doing that badly. The Bay Area region actually gained jobs, it's SoCal that lost them. Unfortunately the Bay Area winds up subsidizing SoCal, kind of like how Northern Italy subsidizes Southern Italy. Which is a shame considering I'm originally from down south and lived there most of my life, remember very well how prior to 1990 NorCal and SoCal were equal, and recognize SoCal's positive qualities. Alas, nowadays it seems like the productive part of the state subsidizes the unproductive part of the state and not just by having its water stolen. I'd love to see SoCal become productive again, but that would require some pretty major changes, particularly in the educational system and the structure of government.

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Furthermore, I find it totally ironic that somebody who brings up the MYTH that California jobs are moving en masse to TX but doesnt also bring up OUTSOURCING to India, China etc.
The "CA jobs are moving to Texas" story IS overblown - the outsourcing to Asia is a MAJOR culprit, and those jobs that stay in a developed country environment are just as or more likely to go to Canada than to Texas. That doesn't really fit the conservative narrative (mainly because many conservatives still hold to outdated perceptions of Canada being semi-socialist when in reality it's more free-market and fiscally conservative than the US). Nor does Washington, which is as liberal as California, holding on to its jobs match conservative narratives.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Declezville, CA
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I like you, 18Montclair
Someone didn't click on the link...
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Earth
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If I ever had to leave the state it would be to Arizona, Nevada, or New Mexico.That's it.
Not the PNW or Colorado?
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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I like you, 18Montclair
Maybe you should read the data in the links that were provided.

However just wait I'm sure Montys hard at work trying to dig up other hard data and links that work. LOL
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:45 PM
 
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"Over the past 15 years for which the site has data, California has lost 2.2 million more residents and $48 billion in income than it gained. It has never gained in one year more new residents than it lost in folks moving away."


"And in 2006-2007, when the economy was booming, California lost 205,017 more residents than it gained and $4.8 billion in wages than it took in."

More leave Calif. than move in - Jan Norman on Small Business : The Orange County Register
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Earth
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"And in 2006-2007, when the economy was booming, California lost 205,017 more residents than it gained and $4.8 billion in wages than it took in."
The real estate bubble - which was only pseudoprosperity and unsustainable.

The RE bubble itself caused more problems than it provided benefits, and action should be taken to see that it should never be repeated. If the bubble didn't exist in the first place, California would have been spared its devastating fallout.
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