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Old 05-24-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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The energy and transportation infrastructure in CA is at a breaking point. It is challenged to handle the current population of the State. What will happen as the population goes to 60 million in the next three decades?

Are you concerned about the expected population increase in California's population? Or do you think that it is just part of progress?
No. I'm tired of people whining about overpopulation. Most of the infrastructure issues are a result of poor planning and outright corruption (e.g. the bullet train where they blatantly lied about the costs and weren't held accountable).

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Old 05-24-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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No. I'm tired of people whining about overpopulation. Most of the infrastructure issues are as a result of poor planning and outright corruption (e.g. the bullet train where they blatantly lied about the costs and weren't held accountable).
A lot is also the result of political decisions. "If we don't build more roads or power plants, we can force people to take the bus and sweat to death in the afternoon to save power."
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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You think more burbs is the answer?
Both more burbs and more dense urban areas.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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One other thing. The old 1960s - 70s Paul Ehrlich meme is really hard to break out of. People still imagine some sort of looming "population bomb" and this was not helped by the flood of illegal immigration during the late 20th Century (which has stopped or even reversed net, net). It is a perception vs reality syndrome. Every update to the "official" world population forecast projects a lower peak and earlier inflection point. We can see where this is leading ... and it ain't in the upward direction. That includes macroeconomic conditions. Anyone who thinks the Great Recession has been (was?) bad will be dumbfounded by the coming 1000 year economic decline.
I don't know about a 1000 year economic decline...but I do think the "population bomb" meme is most definitely worn out and outdated. Population decline has already set in in Europe and Japan and their economies are not doing well largely because they have too many old people and not enough young people to support them.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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A lot is also the result of political decisions. "If we don't build more roads or power plants, we can force people to take the bus and sweat to death in the afternoon to save power."
Yes, absolutely. It's also the reason why housing doesn't get built. The anti-growth crowd has what they want and they don't want to let anyone else in.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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If we get our head out of the sand and plan an infrastructure of roads, bridges and public transportation to handle the population, this could be a wonderful place to live. It all comes down to doing smart planning and executing it in a timely manner.
Dude, it also comes down to TAXES! The friggin' tax structure needs a serious overhaul in this state. OP, the doubling of the population scares the beejezus outa me! And where do you think most of that growth is going to happen! The major urban areas, mostly. And it's not just about infrastructure. Has anyone figured out how to make rain yet? Where's the water for the increased pop. going to come from? They need an infrastructure that pipes grey water to homes for watering yards and other non-potable uses. All that's going to take M-O-N-E-Y, which we the state, not to mention the feds, all happen to be short of. All you complainers, are you ready to pony up more tax money to deal with the problemo? Whining is cheap. Rebuilding and creating new infrastructures takes more than creative accounting.

The crumbling infrastructure issue is everywhere, nationwide. The electrical grid temporarily collapsed in the NE sometime last decade. This topic shouldn't be an excuse to rag on Cali, this is a symptom of a national malaise.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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Dude, it also comes down to TAXES! The friggin' tax structure needs a serious overhaul in this state. OP, the doubling of the population scares the beejezus outa me! And where do you think most of that growth is going to happen! The major urban areas, mostly. And it's not just about infrastructure. Has anyone figured out how to make rain yet? Where's the water for the increased pop. going to come from? They need an infrastructure that pipes grey water to homes for watering yards and other non-potable uses. All that's going to take M-O-N-E-Y, which we the state, not to mention the feds, all happen to be short of. All you complainers, are you ready to pony up more tax money to deal with the problemo? Whining is cheap. Rebuilding and creating new infrastructures takes more than creative accounting.

The crumbling infrastructure issue is everywhere, nationwide. The electrical grid temporarily collapsed in the NE sometime last decade. This topic shouldn't be an excuse to rag on Cali, this is a symptom of a national malaise.
We'd have the money for the infrastructure if the state hadn't gone wild expanding pension benefits around the year 2000. Even Democrats are starting to admit this:

California: A High-Revenue, Low-Services State - Bloomberg
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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OMG! We're SO screwed! The article says because of an eligibility expansion in Medicaid, as well as rising health care costs, basically...there's no end in sight to fiscal shortfall. This is scary.
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Could this along with the obesity epidemic finally be enough to push us into the ocean?
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Could this along with the obesity epidemic finally be enough to push us into the ocean?
Is that what the country's list to port is all about?
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