U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-11-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
7,413 posts, read 2,812,433 times
Reputation: 1802
Wink Republican Governors Hand $Millions to California

Wisconsin, Ohio and federal stimulus funds: California is happy to take your money - latimes.com

In their infinite wisdom of short-sightedness the Republican governors of Wisconsin and Ohio have turned down federal stimulus funds for rail projects so California will get the bulk of this money to continue our state's bullet train project, the largest and most ambitious rail operation in the nation. If I lived in those two states with Republican nitwits as governors, I'd be furious! Another example of why California votes Democratic only.


"A windfall for California

Remarkably, the governors of Wisconsin and Ohio seem to have taken us up on an offer so disadvantageous that the most shameless infomercial producer would hesitate to promote it. After being awarded a combined $1.2 billion in stimulus money to build rail projects — $810 million for a train from Milwaukee to Madison in Wisconsin and $385 million for a rail line linking Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland in Ohio — the governors turned it down. Instead, it will be distributed to train projects in 13 other states, with California being the biggest single beneficiary.

Why would they do such a thing? Because it would cost taxpayer money to operate the rail lines after they're built.
Scott Walker, Republican governor-elect of Wisconsin, fretted that his state's train would cost $7.5 million a year to operate. As train supporters pointed out (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/us/10rail.html%3F_r=1%26scp=1%26sq=cooper%20wisconsin %20ohio%26st=cse - broken link) to the New York Times, this is sort of like turning down a free car because you don't want to have to pay for gasoline and insurance. Not only did Walker and Ohio Gov.-elect John Kasich, also a Republican, ignore the construction jobs the projects would have created, but they ignored the positive impact on their states' economies, freeways and environment that the trains would have brought to future generations."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-11-2010, 12:17 PM
 
11,728 posts, read 22,949,248 times
Reputation: 7058
More like turning down a "free" white elephant.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Hills & Hollers of SW MO
18,311 posts, read 14,480,990 times
Reputation: 15928
Quote:
Originally Posted by californio sur View Post
Wisconsin, Ohio and federal stimulus funds: California is happy to take your money - latimes.com

In their infinite wisdom of short-sightedness the Republican governors of Wisconsin and Ohio have turned down federal stimulus funds for rail projects so California will get the bulk of this money to continue our state's bullet train project, the largest and most ambitious rail operation in the nation. If I lived in those two states with Republican nitwits as governors, I'd be furious!

... but they ignored the positive impact on their states' economies, freeways and environment that the trains would have brought to future generations."[/b]
Without knowing the terms of these "bonus" funds one must also ask about repayment, federal control over state sovreignty and long-term indebtness reaching to several future generations.

While I know you love to come off on the Republicans and use any pretense to do so perhaps, in this instance, they were being appropriately protective of their states and taxpayers.

Last edited by Curmudgeon; 12-11-2010 at 01:57 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2010, 12:55 PM
 
2,084 posts, read 2,024,612 times
Reputation: 1061
It's what the state voters wanted. Obviously, the OP has a big problem with that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
6,390 posts, read 2,867,823 times
Reputation: 2622
Not a chance, they wanted to appear frugal to appease the base, and were and are not the least bit interested in any outcome beyond their own political aspirations.

Welcome to tea bagger influence, where the ignorant are led by the fat cats (Koch brothers etal ) to cut their own throats.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Police State
1,472 posts, read 1,106,574 times
Reputation: 1219
Quote:
Originally Posted by .highnlite View Post
Not a chance, they wanted to appear frugal to appease the base, and were and are not the least bit interested in any outcome beyond their own political aspirations.

Welcome to tea bagger influence, where the ignorant are led by the fat cats (Koch brothers etal ) to cut their own throats.
Or perhaps they crunched the numbers and realized what a raw deal it was.

Running up massive deficits is a enlightened thing to do.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-11-2010, 09:48 PM
 
1,289 posts, read 2,180,182 times
Reputation: 967
Ever been to Wisconsin? It is a 75 minute drive between Milwaukee and Madison if you drive nice. Hardly any traffic most days especially by California standards. Even Badger Bus takes only 90 minutes with 4 stops between the cities. To build a 800 million dollar rail project in that area would be a record setting stupid waste of money. I commend the Wisconsin governor!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2010, 06:13 AM
 
5,468 posts, read 7,596,880 times
Reputation: 1441
Most states aren't taking into account things that will happen in the next 50 years:

Gas prices will go up.
Population will increase.
Building more roads has limits.

States that don't have 37 million people and 16 lane freeways think that more freeways are a solution to transportation woes.

California needs to set an example of what can be done when you think outside the box.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2010, 06:19 AM
 
2,011 posts, read 3,111,392 times
Reputation: 1720
Quote:
Originally Posted by UB50 View Post
Most states aren't taking into account things that will happen in the next 50 years:

Gas prices will go up.
Population will increase.
Building more roads has limits.

States that don't have 37 million people and 16 lane freeways think that more freeways are a solution to transportation woes.

California needs to set an example of what can be done when you think outside the box.
If by "most states", you mean, "Ohio, then you would be 100% correct. Ohio (the state I've been living in for 40+ years) is notorious for thinking small, stupid, and ignorant. The rust-belt mentality is alive and doing quite well. Our new governor, Kasich, thought that if he kaboshed the Three C Rail, that the money would instead go to expanding/fixing roads, bridges, etc. Guess, he was wrong. Surprise, surprise, surprise, Gomer Pyle!

In any case, yes, California should set an example of what can be done when you think outside the box. I've been planning on relocating back to CA for years. This just solidifies the decision...to say it lightly.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-12-2010, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
47,337 posts, read 37,345,023 times
Reputation: 19514
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna7 View Post
If by "most states", you mean, "Ohio, then you would be 100% correct. Ohio (the state I've been living in for 40+ years) is notorious for thinking small, stupid, and ignorant. The rust-belt mentality is alive and doing quite well. Our new governor, Kasich, thought that if he kaboshed the Three C Rail, that the money would instead go to expanding/fixing roads, bridges, etc. Guess, he was wrong. Surprise, surprise, surprise, Gomer Pyle!

In any case, yes, California should set an example of what can be done when you think outside the box. I've been planning on relocating back to CA for years. This just solidifies the decision...to say it lightly.
and from your varies postings it sounds like Ca is a much better place for you than Ohio.

Nita
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2011 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $79,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top