If California Is Doing So Great, Why Are So Many Leaving? (Los Angeles: middle-class, foreclosure)

[user_id]

Wishing for the population to decline in California is wishing for its destruction. Less people means less tax revenue, take a look at what happens to states and regions when steady population decline starts to occur. Luckily the population isn't declining in California, California is one of the gateways to America as a result you have a lot immigrants coming here and then moving to other states down the road.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

This article is very complete ! Shocking

If California Is Doing So Great, Why Are So Many Leaving? | Newgeography.com

It looks like the cumulative total in 2009 is about 3,700. Over 18 years, that comes to 205 per year.

Furthermore, that statistic isn't enough information. Suppose two singles came to California in 1999 during the height of the dotcom boom. They got married, had two kids, then left in 2006. That comes out to four people leaving. A net figure of -2. This situation is fairly common. People come here to make money when the economy is good, get married, then when things slow down they against trying to fight the high cost of living.

So, about 205 a year is probably close, given the above situation. I think the figure may be a little low.

[KC6ZLV]

Originally Posted by user_id

Wishing for the population to decline in California is wishing for its destruction. Less people means less tax revenue, take a look at what happens to states and regions when steady population decline starts to occur. Luckily the population isn't declining in California, California is one of the gateways to America as a result you have a lot immigrants coming here and then moving to other states down the road.

The problem is a large percentage of the demographics that are increasing aren't making enough to pay anything other than sales taxes. When they enroll their three or four kids in school, it is a net loss in revenue.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

The problem is a large percentage of the demographics that are increasing aren't making enough to pay anything other than sales taxes. When they enroll their three or four kids in school, it is a net loss in revenue.

Unless they are living in the clouds they are also going to be paying property taxes either directly or indirectly. In fact they are going to be paying almost every tax with the possible exception of income tax.

When any family (except the very wealthy) enrolls their kids in school it is a net loss in revenue for the years they are in school. But wait, the parents will end up paying taxes their whole life and the kids will likewise pay taxes their whole life. Providing a good education to these kids is an investment.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

The problem is a large percentage of the demographics that are increasing aren't making enough to pay anything other than sales taxes. When they enroll their three or four kids in school, it is a net loss in revenue.

I was thinking about the same. People moving out is not always a bad thing and moving in isn't always the best. Yes, there is slightly more taxes collected but the government assistance might outweigh the taxes several times over.

You have the illegals moving in, those families with kids and no jobs or minial jobs and then all the young people, who are unskilled and can't find jobs.

Now, I see User_ID is saying they will pay property taxes one way or the other. This is just not the case. The property owner will pay it, regardless of the property being rented or vacant. I just don't see how anyone can really think people at the lower end of the economic scale can help the tax base. yes, they will pay sales tax but they also spend much less than those in the middle income brackets, they depend on emergancy rooms for medical attention or free clinics quite often. They do have more children in public schools, they pay no income tax and often get tax rebates plus if they are here illegally or not working they aren't even paying into SS.

[LexusNexus]

Originally Posted by RenaudFR

This article is very complete ! Shocking

If California Is Doing So Great, Why Are So Many Leaving? | Newgeography.com

You're going to have to do a lot more than post some link to show that a state that voted NOT to elect and re-elect Bush is NOT great. A few people leaving doesn't cut it.

[NationalistFighter]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Median home price Los Angeles $305,000 Median home price Houston, 208,000, to afford a Los Angeles median home you will need an income of roughly $10,000 per month. To afford a Houston home you will need an income of roughly $8,000 per month, not really much difference.

Aside from housing, what is more expensive in CA?

Taxes, California total tax burden 10.5% of income, Texas, 8.4%, a difference with an income of $100,000 a year of $2,100

These are not significant differences.

Dude, that's over 24k a year. That is extremely significant.

[.highnlite]

Eh? It is 2,000 a month, and if your income is 2,000 a month, it is significant, at $8,000 a month not so much.

Consider it a fee for to live in CA. If I was offered a job at 75 K in California, or 100K in Texas, I would take California, how about you?

[bluenoter]

The California Central Planners might consider declaring a California State Fee for the privilege of residing in America's greatest state. This will weed out those that are greedy, and those that remain will thrive with proper allocation of this Fee.

The State Fee per citizen should be arbitrary depending on the present needs of the state.

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Consider it a fee for to live in CA. If I was offered a job at 75 K in California, or 100K in Texas, I would take California, how about you?

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Eh? It is 2,000 a month, and if your income is 2,000 a month, it is significant, at $8,000 a month not so much.

Consider it a fee for to live in CA. If I was offered a job at 75 K in California, or 100K in Texas, I would take California, how about you?

There is more to this than just comparing taxes and property. Hidden costs can add up quickly...As for living in Ca versus Texas, that is a subject of debate with no correct answer. It is simply what one considers important in life.

Nita