Two Californias (Lincoln, San Joaquin: house, buy, school)

[UB50]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

I'm trying to figure out what this and many of the posts in this topic have to do with Hanson's article (and nevermind the ad hominem attacks on its author).

Did anybody here actually read the article? I'll admit I just this minute finished reading it, and I was stunned!

Of course, I read the article! The title is "Two Californias" and at the very end it states: "How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest."

He is describing the Conservative/Libertarian part of the state -- the one California that he lives in -- and he doesn't seem to like it as much as he should. He sounds like a Libertarian and he should just love all that freedom and Liberty!

Ahem. You know there is a reason sales taxes are lower in his area than in other parts of the state. They don't get as many services and that should make the "tax us less" crowd really happy.

[.highnlite]

You liberals ruined the state, you and your welfare and your public employee cohorts. I'm laughing, thinking about a state where there are two major classes of people: government employees and welfare recipients.

Enjoy what you've made of the state. You deserve it

Funny thing, a 2 trillion dollar a year economy and you think the state is ruined, 50 cents of every venture capital dollar is invested in California and you think the state is ruined. Why don't conservatives believe in reality?

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Look, illegal immigration is the product of conservative Republicans, not liberal Democrats. I realize this is difficult to get one's mind around, but, I am happy to carefully explain it, if you are willing to listen.

You really amuse me and I truly mean that in a respectful way.

My opinion is that the immigration problem is a collaboration between Democrats who want new liberal voters and Republicans who want cheap exploitable labor.

Of course, explain away. I'll read your posts although I'll admit I often skim your posts, giving them all the attention I feel they deserve, but I'll try to stick with your explanations although I make no promises to read your links.

Go for it. There isn't any point in participating in a forum if you aren't willing to listen.

Originally Posted by UB50

Of course, I read the article! The title is "Two Californias" and at the very end it states: "How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest."

He is describing the Conservative/Libertarian part of the state -- the one California that he lives in -- and he doesn't seem to like it as much as he should. He sounds like a Libertarian and he should just love all that freedom and Liberty!

Ahem. You know there is a reason sales taxes are lower in his area than in other parts of the state. They don't get as many services and that should make the "tax us less" crowd really happy.

I got the part about "at once both the nation's most unfree state and the most free sate." I took it as part sarcasm. Delete the final paragraph and state your opinion about the rest of the article.

He doesn't seem to like it as much as he should? Just how much should he like it? How much should you like it? How much should I like it? And even, what difference does that make? It's ruined, right? What matter does it make if any of us like it other than it's ruined? Unless of course you're one of those with no ambition and who is getting a free ride? Any no-life should like this state just fine.

The reason they don't have any "tax us less" crowd is because there's no crowd there. And is there a "tax us less" crowd in Los Angeles? Our sales tax is 9.75% ... Name a place in the US who has higher tax. Do you think I have a legitimate gripe about our sales tax here?

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Funny thing, a 2 trillion dollar a year economy and you think the state is ruined, 50 cents of every venture capital dollar is invested in California and you think the state is ruined. Why don't conservatives believe in reality?

I don't know. Why don't you ask a conservative? The only persons who would call me a conservative are rabid liberals. You know, foam at the mouth, crazed look in the eyes, desire to bite first and ask questions later (or why bother, who needs questions?).

I'm middle of the road. Only a rabid liberal would refer to me as a conservative. The only thing I believe in is not spending money by borrowing same. Maybe that's a radical theory.

[jkbatca]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Look, illegal immigration is the product of conservative Republicans, not liberal Democrats. I realize this is difficult to get one's mind around, but, I am happy to carefully explain it, if you are willing to listen.

Please enlighten us. No, really. Please give a full explanation on how illegal immigration was the Republican's fault, since you offered. And I'm willing to read it.

If you don't post a full insightful response, I expect you are basically talking out of your butt.

Oh, and by the way. Since you're so vehemently against "water welfare", what is your opinion about welfare for anchor babies? According to you, that should be taken away as well then, since you're so against welfare.

[jkbatca]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Victor Davis Hanson is a right wing nut case, you cannot take anything he states at face value, He has and does distort facts to fit his particular and peculiar viewpoint. You should read his writings on how homosexuality was an important part of Unit Cohesion in the ancient Greek phalanxes.

If our military took his work seriously they would introduce homosexuality within units to promote Unit Cohesion.

Classic ad-hominem. I read and re-read that, and still cannot ascertain just what does this have to do with the content of the original post. Just what does this have to do with the dilemma the Central Valley currently faces?

Originally Posted by .highnlite

His "abandoned farms" did not exist at all before the California Aquaduct was built, those "abandoned farms" were all dependent on large scale water welfare.

Wow, "water welfare". Since when does the left classify infrastructure projects as "welfare". What a fun lefty word game. I'll play. I guess railways are "commuter and shipping welfare". I guess roadway infrastructure is now "auto and oil welfare". I guess "health care infrastructure" is doctor welfare.

Here's a clue, "water welfare" which enables large quantities of food to be grown and thus benefit large amounts of society is vastly different than giving welfare to deadbeats who buy 6 packs of beer and new quads to ride on.

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Funny thing, agriculture is thriving in this state, it is worth billions upon billions of dollars, Veektor is just another Glenn Beck, except perhaps, less honest.

Farms that do not use welfare water are thriving. The limitations on big government welfare water are bitterly opposed by supposed small government anti welfare groups.

Got some stats I can read, or are you talking out of your butt?

[UB50]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

I got the part about "at once both the nation's most unfree state and the most free sate." I took it as part sarcasm. Delete the final paragraph and state your opinion about the rest of the article.

He doesn't seem to like it as much as he should? Just how much should he like it? How much should you like it? How much should I like it? And even, what difference does that make? It's ruined, right? What matter does it make if any of us like it other than it's ruined? Unless of course you're one of those with no ambition and who is getting a free ride? Any no-life should like this state just fine.

The reason they don't have any "tax us less" crowd is because there's no crowd there. And is there a "tax us less" crowd in Los Angeles? Our sales tax is 9.75% ... Name a place in the US who has higher tax. Do you think I have a legitimate gripe about our sales tax here?

I didn't take it as sarcasm at all. It relates to the title: TWO CALIFORNIAS. That particular paragraph was the summary of the article.

I pay plenty in taxes but I would pay even more if I could direct the money where I would like it to go. Since I can't do that, I'll just pay more and hope some of it finds it's way to the things I care about. (Yes, I voted for the $18 park fee.)

Off the top of my head, I know the sales tax in Memphis TN is 9.25% -- and it's been that high for a lot longer than ours has been over 9%. Not only that, Memphis taxes everything, including groceries. Do you think Memphis is a nicer city than the cities we have here?

[UB50]

Regarding sales taxes, I just had to do a little research and see who has the highest sales taxes.

The answer is: Arab, Alabama with a 12% sales tax. us-sales-tax-rates-hit-record-high: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Chicago has a 10.25% sales tax.

That article lists a few places in the country that have 11%+ rates -- so, no, we are not the highest.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by UB50

Regarding sales taxes, I just had to do a little research and see who has the highest sales taxes.

The answer is: Arab, Alabama with a 12% sales tax. us-sales-tax-rates-hit-record-high: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Chicago has a 10.25% sales tax.

That article lists a few places in the country that have 11%+ rates -- so, no, we are not the highest.

arab alabama population 7000

[.highnlite]

Classic ad-hominem. I read and re-read that, and still cannot ascertain just what does this have to do with the content of the original post. Just what does this have to do with the dilemma the Central Valley currently faces?

Dear Sir, I gave you some background on the character, Victor Davis Hanson, he is a well known nut, who is an expert at adding 2+2 and coming up with whatever sum he wants.t.


Wow, "water welfare". Since when does the left classify infrastructure projects as "welfare". What a fun lefty word game. I'll play. I guess railways are "commuter and shipping welfare". I guess roadway infrastructure is now "auto and oil welfare". I guess "health care infrastructure" is doctor welfare.

You are getting it, whenever a government builds something that everyone pays for, but benefits only a few, well, dear sir, that is welfare/socialism, something the rightwingwhackos hate, unless of course it benefits them. Just as if there is an idea that the rightwingwhackos don't like, it is "leftie" A few more examples of socialism. Fire Departments, Freeways. Now, you seem a little sqeamish at the idea that the Central Valley water projects might be socialism. I suggest you read Beyond the 100th Meridian by Wallace Stegner.

Here's a clue, "water welfare" which enables large quantities of food to be grown and thus benefit large amounts of society is vastly different than giving welfare to deadbeats who buy 6 packs of beer and new quads to ride on.

Water Welfare allows farmers who use that taxpayer subsidized water to buy private planes to fly to Aspen to go skiing. Water Welfare gives farmers who use that taxpayer subsidized water to compete unfairly with those who don't use government subsidized water, like me for example.

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Originally Posted by .highnlite
Funny thing, agriculture is thriving in this state, it is worth billions upon billions of dollars, Veektor is just another Glenn Beck, except perhaps, less honest.

Farms that do not use welfare water are thriving. The limitations on big government welfare water are bitterly opposed by supposed small government anti welfare groups.
Got some stats I can read, or are you talking out of your butt?

Try asking a question without rudeness and while you are at it, define what stats you are looking for. I made four points in that paragraph.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Try asking a question without rudeness and while you are at it, define what stats you are looking for. I made four points in that paragraph.

You didn't make any points at all. Water welfare subsidizes farmers to buy planes and go skiing in Aspen? Fire departments and freeways are socialism? Mix in another ad hominem attack against Hanson for good measure. That's just you babbling, laying your agenda on the forum, talking out of what jkbatca was referring to. Nobody is taking you seriously.