California trends...? (organic, restaurants, law)

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Sorry, the Central Valley Water Welfare Farmers aren't lefties, they be righties, sucking on the government teat, for milions upon millions of dollars, neither are the public lands ranchers.... Just so you know.

It is a fact, it is darned hard to be an educated Republican, it takes an enormous effort of will to get through college with your eyes and ears closed, I do respect the college educated Republicans, I envy their willpower.

Second verse, same as the first! It also takes an enormous effort to get through college with your mind closed like so many libs. If the professor says it, it's gospel. Now please pass the Kool Aid!

[nullgeo]

" ... and that's when the fight started ..."

This is so much better than watching tv ...

[Curmudgeon]

And methinks thou dost love it over-much!

Stir! Stir! Stir!

[nullgeo]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

And methinks thou dost love it over-much!

Stir! Stir! Stir!

Are you kiddin'!? ... I don't drink, smoke, or do dope (anymore) ... live a hermit's life in the woods ... this is hilarious! In the words of that brilliant and famous American patriot (I forget who) "Bring it on!" ... until "Mission Accomplished" can be declared (again)

[.highnlite]

Second verse, same as the first! It also takes an enormous effort to get through college with your mind closed like so many libs. If the professor says it, it's gospel. Now please pass the Kool Aid!

My guess, if you think that crap, you never darkened the door of a classroom beyond lower division. Besides, for a guy who claimed (once) to be a democrat, that is a classic rightwing fantasy, with little or no basis in fact, as any actual college graduate could tell you.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Sorry, the Central Valley Water Welfare Farmers aren't lefties, they be righties, sucking on the government teat, for milions upon millions of dollars, neither are the public lands ranchers.... Just so you know.

It is a fact, it is darned hard to be an educated Republican, it takes an enormous effort of will to get through college with your eyes and ears closed, I do respect the college educated Republicans, I envy their willpower.

Good point, and an excellent example is Republican Doug LaMalfa, who won as State Senator in the 4th District, which covers a wide swath inland, including Butte, Colusa, Del Norte, Glenn, part of Nevada, part of Placer, Shasta, Siskiyou, Sutter, Tehama, Trinity and Yuba counties. He successfully pitched his "farming & ranching" roots, as a "fourth generation rice farmer", with the slogan "He's One of Us!"

But along with asserting all his "get the government off our backs" conservative "bonafides", what he always failed to mention was the more than $3 million in Federal Rice Subsidies his family has been raking in over the past 10 years!

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

" ... and that's when the fight started ..."

This is so much better than watching tv ...

LOL... here we go again. Just don't tell him not to move to MO.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSHEt...eature=related

[.highnlite]

The conservatives only think it is socialism if they don't benefit from it, if they benefit well then by dangie, it is the American Way!

Funny story, our genre of farming gets no subsidies. We don't get any of that California Aquaduct water, but we have been paying for it since the Aquaduct proposal was approved, now, that ain't right, we coastal folk kinda get annoyed by them central valley welfare farmers.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

My guess, if you think that crap, you never darkened the door of a classroom beyond lower division. Besides, for a guy who claimed (once) to be a democrat, that is a classic rightwing fantasy, with little or no basis in fact, as any actual college graduate could tell you.

Have you been drinking, besides the Kool Aid, that is? I never claimed to be a Democrat. I was a decline to state as soon as that option was available. Prior to that I was a registered Republican but I almost always voted both sides of the ticket.

Get off your high-falluting college kick. What are you, a maturity stifled, arrested development, perpetual frat boy. You're still redundant and it's really boring! I had a decent education that Uncle Sam and I paid for. That's all. It has little or no applicability to my retirement status and absolutely none here. The school of hard knock is much more relevant.

[.highnlite]

Welfare Ranchers.

The dates are old, but not much has changed, (for educational purposes)
Most cattle industry data is from Sacred Cows at the Public Trough by Denzel and Nancy Ferguson Maverick Publications Bend Oregon ©1983,

1. In 1978 in the Kingman Arizona area the Bureau of Land Management collected $94,600 in grazing fees. BLM spent about $366,500 on management and operations in the area.
2. 90% of U.S. cattlemen owning 1,000 or more cows graze them on public land.
3. In 1981 the federal government collected $24.9 million in grazing revenue, but spent $58.5 million on rangeland management and payments to local governments in lieu of taxes. (deficit of $33.6 million!) In 1979 the deficit was $27.8 million.
4. Only 3% of the nations beef is raised on public land. 97% of beef raisers must compete on the open market without the federal subsidies western ranchers enjoy.
5. During a recent 10 year period grazing fees on BLM land in New Mexico averaged $1.45 per AUM, On private land $6.61 per AUM. [An AUM is an Animal Unit Month, and Animal Unit is a cow and calf.]
6. The federal government sells or leases, timber, and oil, supply purchases etc. are done by competitive bid. Grazing permits are not, they are set by a formula taking into account various market factors, including fee reductions during times of economic adversity, thus guaranteeing that the rancher will always be protected against market drops by.... us.
7. Idaho is 64% federal land, and has the highest per capita ratio of millionares in the nation.... because that very inexpensive AUM can be sold privately for thousands of dollars.
8. The $365,000,000 appropriated by the Public Rangelands Improvement Act under President Reagan is $9,865 for each and every grazing permittee using BLM and Forest Service lands.
9. In 1981 American taxpayers paid a subsidy of nearly $14.00 for each cow grazed on BLM land in Oregon and Washington alone.
10. America imports nearly 3 times as much beef as is produced on our public lands.