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Old 02-20-2011, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Brewers Hill
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If Walker is serious about finances, then why does his proposal to outlaw public sector collective bargaining exclude Corrections unions in Wisconsin? Hint: they contributed to his campaign.
I should point out a few things to you. First,corrections aren't excluded.Our union wouldn't endorse Governor Walker,so now he's paying us back. Second,I believe that only City of Milwaukee Police and Firefighters are excluded because their unions backed Walker.

 
Old 02-20-2011, 06:51 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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I rarely agree with O'Reilly, but he poses some good questions here:
Insurrection in Wisconsin - FoxNews.com

Here's another perspective from USA Today.
Wisconsin is 'ground zero' for battle over unions - USATODAY.com

So many problems, so few solutions that arent painful.
Of course he's right. It's about to get nasty.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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What's the big deal.... it's called "negotiating", just as the private sector does?! Although you can be sure the Repubs position has more to do with undercutting unions' traditional support for Dems, than it does about "looking out for the taxpayer"! Now if only they were this "vigorous" in dealing with Wall Street's "excesses" (which is what got us all here in the first place)!
In this case they are one in the same. The public sector employees cannot continue to make more than their private sector counterparts without continuing to bankrupt states, municipalities, not to mention the federal government.

this is an article concerning federal employees, however I believe the same thing is happening in a number of states. It cannot continue. Unions cannot be allowed to bankrupt us all.

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By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds.
Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available.

The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.

Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years............
 
Old 02-20-2011, 07:18 AM
 
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... Unions cannot be allowed to bankrupt us all.
... and neither can an elite of investment bankers and accountants and attorneys and politicians.

Unions came into existence as a check and balance to industrial and financial opportunists. Now the unions have, themselves, become a bit of the same monster -- by their collective leverage. Time for readjustment? Sure. But the prime evil still lies with the psycho-sociopathic personalities at the top of the food chain: the money-changers (on Wall St.)
 
Old 02-20-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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You like putting your words in peoples mouth ...
What your mouth is feeling full of isn't my words: it's your feet
 
Old 02-20-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: GLAMA
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"The right to join a union and collectively bargain is a freedom that people have died to protect."

Says the closed shop and anti-right to work crowd.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 09:34 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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... and neither can an elite of investment bankers and accountants and attorneys and politicians.

Unions came into existence as a check and balance to industrial and financial opportunists. Now the unions have, themselves, become a bit of the same monster -- by their collective leverage. Time for readjustment? Sure. But the prime evil still lies with the psycho-sociopathic personalities at the top of the food chain: the money-changers (on Wall St.)
it's all the psycho money changers fault, nice
 
Old 02-20-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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I do not think the deficit is 137 Billion, but only 3.3 billion in worst case. Can you document your data, and the 140 million in new spending?

Keeping abreast of the Wisc. situation as may be relevant to California -- the deficit there (Wisc.) is $137 million (not billion -- as already corrected previously) and the $140 million in new spending is discussed in the following article and linked to sources (for those who don't like the 'progressive' news source)

Walker gins up

Reading, one will note that the arguments the Wisc. guvnor is making are the same drivel we hear across the country, and certainly by many conservatives in California ... while further reading and research demonstrates that the true motives behind the attempt to squash the unions are politically nefarious, and economically favoring those already in possession of enormous wealth and social advantage.

Some highlights from the article:

" Wisconsin is managing [better than many states] in a weak economy ... the state has balanced budgets, maintained basic services and high-quality schools, and kept employment and business development steadier than the rest of the country. ... the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau recently released a memo detailing how the state will end the 2009-2011 budget biennium with a budget surplus.

" ...to the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.

"The Fiscal Bureau memo -- http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf (broken link) -- makes it clear that Walker did not inherit a budget that required a repair bill.

"... Walker is trying to institute a sweeping radical and dangerous notion that will return Wisconsin to the days when land barons and railroad tycoons controlled the political elites in Madison.”
 
Old 02-20-2011, 10:18 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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"The facts are not debatable."

How interesting, so Rachel Maddow was right after all.
 
Old 02-20-2011, 06:03 PM
 
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What your mouth is feeling full of isn't my words: it's your feet
You can hang it up; I won't be lured into your petty arguments.
Grow up
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