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View Poll Results: Besides San Francisco, which Norcal city has the best downtown?
Sacramento 15 30.61%
San Jose 8 16.33%
Oakland 13 26.53%
Monterey 2 4.08%
Berkeley 6 12.24%
Other 5 10.20%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2011, 11:58 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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Old 03-15-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: CO
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Thank God everyone only gets one vote, no matter how many times they reply trying to get their point across. I'm curious to see the results over the next few weeks. It'll be more representative of everyone's opinion than all the bickering and flaming that is taking place.
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Old 03-15-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Thank God everyone only gets one vote, no matter how many times they reply trying to get their point across. I'm curious to see the results over the next few weeks. It'll be more representative of everyone's opinion than all the bickering and flaming that is taking place.
Er, one of the points of threads is people get to debate. Right?
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:12 AM
 
Location: yeah
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Yes, but we should all agree and hold hands by the end.
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: CO
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Er, one of the points of threads is people get to debate. Right?
Sure, but in forums, the loudest voices tend to drown out the actual debate much of the time in "debates" like this. And you see it result in flame wars and insults. I run a fairly large automotive enthusiast forum and I see it all the time. That's why I'm curious to see how the poll plays out. You'll get more people who don't care to get verbally abused and will just submit a vote (in theory at least).
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: CO
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Yes, but we should all agree and hold hands by the end.
Wouldn't that be a sight? Constructive debate without the personal attacks would suffice. You see a lot of homers fighting tooth and nail, putting down others in the process in an effort to make their point stick better - using sarcasm, smart ass comments, etc. I don't expect everyone to have a group hug and agree at the end, but let's at least see a good attempt at a real debate. And let's also realize that this sort of debate is subjective, so there's no right answer.
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Old 03-16-2011, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Speaking of which, Downtown Oakland's population grew by 31% between 2000 and 2001 rising from 16,000 to 21,000.

Amazing cause the Census says the city as a whole lost 8,000.

Downtown Oakland has seen a huge resurgence and the latest census stats prove that! Woot woot!
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:02 AM
 
Location: CO
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Speaking of which, Downtown Oakland's population grew by 31% between 2000 and 2001 rising from 16,000 to 21,000.

Amazing cause the Census says the city as a whole lost 8,000.

Downtown Oakland has seen a huge resurgence and the latest census stats prove that! Woot woot!
I've only been to downtown Oakland a few times, but I must say, the last time I visited I was pleasantly surprised. Very nice. Glad to see it growing and improving.
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Old 03-16-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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I've only been to downtown Oakland a few times, but I must say, the last time I visited I was pleasantly surprised. Very nice. Glad to see it growing and improving.
Thanks.

We still have a long way to go but at very least we're headed in the right direction.
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