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Old 03-01-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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Oh I know we are. But why be further indebted to other foreign countries. We need to stop dependency now. Check out a new thread I posted regarding California's job market. Do some folks really think foreign countries will help us create jobs while giving up some of their profit margin?
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Old 03-01-2011, 03:30 PM
 
Location: US
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That would be great! Japan has the best trains in the world.
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Because they are on the way to being broke. They've slipped from being one of the top economies in the world by China.
China just passed them in GDP this past year. Given China's growth rate over the past decade plus the fact they have 10 times the people of Japan that's hardly something to be ashamed of. Japan is still number three in the world (and again, China is just now barely ahead of them).
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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And...that reduces potential US jobs in making the trains and other equipment.

If we build this unnecessary junk (and yes, I think hi-speed rail is unnecessary junk), then at least we should create the jobs to manufacture and build the system.

Bingo, give this person a cigar. The cost to build this pink elephant will require either a huge TAXPAYER subsidy for each trip or really high ticket costs...which means a lot less riders......either way this thing is a really bad idea.

The estimates for the SF to LA line is 40-50 billion...that means it will really cost AT LEAST 100 billion. NO WAY this choo-choo will bring in enough money to even service the debt......let alone cover operating costs.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Government run rails in other developed countries are heavily subsidized by the government. They seem to get that fast and efficient transport is worthwhile to the country beyond the bottom line - much in the same vein as a public university or hospital. Our can't-see-beyond-their-noses (or check books) populace is mostly blind to that possibility, but they can "ooh and ah" at them when they visit Japan or France.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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What is the goal for Japan ?
BTW : great news for California, this project would be more interesting financially.
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Old 03-02-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Brawndo-Thirst-Mutilator-Nation
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Government run rails in other developed countries are heavily subsidized by the government. They seem to get that fast and efficient transport is worthwhile to the country beyond the bottom line - much in the same vein as a public university or hospital. Our can't-see-beyond-their-noses (or check books) populace is mostly blind to that possibility, but they can "ooh and ah" at them when they visit Japan or France.
Ok, so you think it is ok for the Federal and State governments to bleed more money.....in the shape this BROKE country is in......Wow, bad idea.


And the national debt is projected to be 20 TRILLION by 2016 at the pace we are going, just cannot afford it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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Personally, I think the whole rail project is at least 30 years too late.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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Sorry to bringing up an old post but I wanted to contribute.

To the naysayers on HSR, let's look at a hypothetical situation. What if we had the money to spend it on HSR. Would you be okay with that? If so, why? And if not, why?
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:05 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Ok, so you think it is ok for the Federal and State governments to bleed more money.....in the shape this BROKE country is in......Wow, bad idea.


And the national debt is projected to be 20 TRILLION by 2016 at the pace we are going, just cannot afford it.
thank god that we can still afford several overseas wars against thirdworld nations that pose us no threat. It's all about priorities!
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