Tea Party Express battles CA GOP leaders (insurance, unemployment)
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No, it does not count for your lazy alter ego but I will give you some credit bullgeo.
I'm very skeptical of the results or possibly the method they used to get the results and here is why ...
California is one of the most liberal states, if not the most liberal, and California probably has the most gay people ... any objections so far?
California has gone though many propositions, legal challenges and legislative actions over same sex marriage over the past 15 years. Prop 8 in 2008 showed that even in the most liberal state, with the most gay citizens, that the voters wanted marriage limited to a man and woman. If California voters can’t pass same sex marriage then there is no way that the majority of people in the other states, especially the mid west and southern states, would vote for same sex marriage. No way no how!
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three years later Don,, As the poll showed, attitudes are evolving.
(Now, I am not saying that is good or bad, in truth, I am not necessarily in favor of gay marriage, but, neither do I have a horse in this race, so my opinion of it as yours, is irrelevant. But I do prefer facts over emotion, unlike our conservative brethren.
three years later Don,, As the poll showed, attitudes are evolving.
(Now, I am not saying that is good or bad, in truth, I am not necessarily in favor of gay marriage, but, neither do I have a horse in this race, so my opinion of it as yours, is irrelevant. But I do prefer facts over emotion, unlike our conservative brethren.
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Three years later for California ... I'm not saying California is not ready to pass same sex marriage now, I'm saying the majority of American citizens are not.
We all know that poll's can easily be manipulated to produce any answer the pollster wants. I'm saying this poll was manipulated and the results are bogus.
One last comment, interesting how you felt it necessary to state that you are not a supporter of gay marriage and you decided to state my opinion ...
If I provide any link to any such histories, however, certain persons that populate this Forum with brains as agile as sacks of hammers, will raise the chant of "liberal propaganda!"
Which is why I rarely post links to anything. Those whom you speak of have made up their minds (what little they have) so why bother.
Nobody chooses to be gay. With many children who have been studied you can tell from an early age that they are gay. The idea that anybody would choose their sexual orientation is silly to say the least, especially knowing the ridicule they face from society.
Sure it is a choice. What you are talking about is temptation not who you are. Do alcoholics choose to drink or are they born that way? Do drug addicts choose to take drugs or are they born that way? Are obese people born with a fat gene or do they give in to over eating? Everyone has temptations that they have to deal with. I for one love women. If I knew it wasn't wrong I would persue them every chance that I had, married or not. The fact is even with women that are married I find plenty that I would love to be with. The differance being that I realize that is not a correct action and I restrain my self from doing anything that would hurt my marriage. Everyone is tempted to do things. Some people overcome things that they are temped by. Others choose to give in to the temptation. Acting upon any temptation is a sign of weakness. It is part of being human. Your not special because you call yourself gay. Your not special if you give into the temptation. What you are is human. All of us have some kind of temptation in our life.
Sure it is a choice. What you are talking about is temptation not who you are. Do alcoholics choose to drink or are they born that way? Do drug addicts choose to take drugs or are they born that way? Are obese people born with a fat gene or do they give in to over eating? Everyone has temptations that they have to deal with. I for one love women. If I knew it wasn't wrong I would persue them every chance that I had, married or not. The fact is even with women that are married I find plenty that I would love to be with. The differance being that I realize that is not a correct action and I restrain my self from doing anything that would hurt my marriage. Everyone is tempted to do things. Some people overcome things that they are temped by. Others choose to give in to the temptation. Acting upon any temptation is a sign of weakness. It is part of being human. Your not special because you call yourself gay. Your not special if you give into the temptation. What you are is human. All of us have some kind of temptation in our life.
If you are straight, are you "tempted" by the opposite sex or are you attracted to them?
If California voters can’t pass same sex marriage then there is no way that the majority of people in the other states, especially the mid west and southern states, would vote for same sex marriage. No way no how!
I would imagine if church groups in other states (like Utah) stop spending record amounts of money to help oppose measures like that in CA, there might be a different outcome. Let the CA voters decide on their own without the outside influences, especially those from different states. But again, money in elections.... what are you gonna do?
That's why the states are allowed to vote on certain things because not all states agree. Let them deal with their own issues - on their own.
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Sure it is a choice. What you are talking about is temptation not who you are.
You have a choice to act upon being gay, not being gay. Again, if I'm attracted to brunettes, can I force myself to look at blonds? Sure. But I'm attracted to brunettes so I'd just be lying to myself.
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Do alcoholics choose to drink or are they born that way? Do drug addicts choose to take drugs or are they born that way?
You lost me when you started comparing it to a disease (which alcoholism is). We're talking about two consenting adults who are attracted to each other and/or love each other. If you think it's a disease, then I guess your opinion isn't as respectful as I previously thought.
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Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE
Everyone has temptations that they have to deal with. I for one love women. If I knew it wasn't wrong I would persue them every chance that I had, married or not. The fact is even with women that are married I find plenty that I would love to be with. The differance being that I realize that is not a correct action and I restrain my self from doing anything that would hurt my marriage.
And yet, you have a commitment to that woman, as where two consenting gay adults do not. They can do what they like and it won't be wrong because they didn't enter into a binding agreement as you did (as they aren't allowed to). So it's not the same. Your actions would hurt your wife. Their actions wouldn't hurt anyone, as you already pointed out.
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Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE
Everyone is tempted to do things. Some people overcome things that they are temped by. Others choose to give in to the temptation. Acting upon any temptation is a sign of weakness. It is part of being human. Your not special because you call yourself gay. Your not special if you give into the temptation. What you are is human. All of us have some kind of temptation in our life.
And again, if there are two consenting adults involved, the temptation is not hurting anyone else. If you believe it's hurting themselves, then that's between them and their maker, not for us to judge. There is a choice to act upon being gay or not act upon it, but the choice is in the action, not the being. If you don't agree with it, that's fine, let them be judged by God not by us.
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