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Old 03-18-2011, 11:31 PM
 
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Well Mr. Don if this country is really going down the tubes I hope you enjoy the ride. Glad I could help provide it for ya
And with that we go full circle ... the tea party ... is intent on stopping your kind and your agenda and returning our country back to the people.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:18 AM
 
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Here ya go Don9 ... more fodder for you to foam about:

The F-35: A Weapon That Costs More Than Australia - Dominic Tierney - National - The Atlantic

article about the cost of the proposed F-35 fighter jet ... $1 trillion outta the Federal budget for a plane that's not needed ... and all this without a chirp of objection from the Tea-Party with regard to budget-cutting ... as the article sub-title asks: "Where's the outrage over Washington's culture of waste?" being pushed by the right (and acquiesced to by the left to boot)?

"In other words, we're spending more on this plane than Australia's entire GDP ($924 billion)."

"So where is the outrage at the F-35's outlandish cost?
Some just don't seem to care. When it comes to defense, Republicans are the champions of big government and massive expenditure. The F-35 is too big to fail."

My point? -- To be human is to be insane ... and Tea-Partiers are no exception ... you are all freaking nuts ... every last one of you ... just more variation on the same old theme of selective stupid agendas ... right, left, and upside down (this last would be the Tea Party: upside down ... worst of the bunch.) As Bugs Bunny often said: "What a maroon!"
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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Something is seriously wrong with you.
Yes, and the problem is going on the Internet or news and constantly having to read bulls**t. Even after multiple people specifically point out why it is bulls**t, the people who keep propagating bulls**t keep going on their merry way believing what bulls**t they want to believe. That is what my problem is.

The original topic was about Repub. lawmakers wanting to compromise on allowing the CA voters to vote for a tax increase. The problem about that is (a) we've ALREADY voted on that 2 years ago and the tax hike was rejected by BOTH Republicans AND DEMOCRATS, and (b) I'm sick and tired of 10s of millions of dollars being spent by CA public service unions on propaganda campaigns. Despite this, some lib. lackey or two subsequently calls those who don't want another useless vote "tea partiers" and through some stupid, crazy, insane "guilt by association" tactic imply they are racist for not wanting to vote on a tax increase (does this even make sense?). At least that is what I've gotten from the thread of conversation so far...

Well, I'm here to inform those liberal lackey people that people are not fed up with the current CA process because they belong to some "racist tea party". They are fed up because they are tired of having huge sums of money taken from their wallet by force from California and put into the pockets of people who do not need that much money. Pure and simple. I'm just doing a public service by refocusing the discussion to where it really needs to be.

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Old 03-19-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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Here ya go Don9 ... more fodder for you to foam about:

The F-35: A Weapon That Costs More Than Australia - Dominic Tierney - National - The Atlantic

article about the cost of the proposed F-35 fighter jet ... $1 trillion outta the Federal budget for a plane that's not needed ... and all this without a chirp of objection from the Tea-Party with regard to budget-cutting ... as the article sub-title asks: "Where's the outrage over Washington's culture of waste?" being pushed by the right (and acquiesced to by the left to boot)?

"In other words, we're spending more on this plane than Australia's entire GDP ($924 billion)."

"So where is the outrage at the F-35's outlandish cost? Some just don't seem to care. When it comes to defense, Republicans are the champions of big government and massive expenditure. The F-35 is too big to fail."

My point? -- To be human is to be insane ... and Tea-Partiers are no exception ... you are all freaking nuts ... every last one of you ... just more variation on the same old theme of selective stupid agendas ... right, left, and upside down (this last would be the Tea Party: upside down ... worst of the bunch.) As Bugs Bunny often said: "What a maroon!"
Quoting more liberal propaganda?

Getting real old man ...

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Old 03-19-2011, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Some of reasons that people are upset and a Teaparty came about.

Conservatives are against illegal immigration. Does that make them racist? If you are a Liberal you would think so. Liberals like to have people take polls asking what they think of immigrants. They some how forget to mention in those polls that some immigrants have broken the law to get here and are criminals for doing so. Illegal immigrants cost this nation plenty. We the people offer free education to their children. We offer free healthcare to them and their families. They take jobs that we the people could have. Plenty of contractors can't find work but the illegal immigrants that hang out at Home Depot seem to get work form contractors that would rather use them than pay for a legal citizen to do the work. People want someone to clean their home and instead of calling a company to do it they hire an illegal to do it and pay that person a lot less. Our infrastucture is used by the illegals as well. Those of us that are here leggally pay to use the roadway system. We pay to use the parks, we pay to have fire and police protection. Those that are here illegally don't pay for any of that. Still the cost of infrastructure does not stop. Look at your roads today, do you like the condition that they are in? Something that was built to serve X amount of people will over time wear out when it has to serve Y amount of people. You can't evactly blame one political group over another, neither the Republicans or the Democrats have solved this problem. many are upset over it and it aint just the Tea party people.

Conservatives are against big government and the expense to run that government. Liberals would prefer to toss money at a problem to make it go away. Spending more on a problem has never helped. Look at FDR. He spent us into debt trying to get us out of the Great Depresion. It didn't work. We did not return to a growth economy untill we entered World War II. Obama has also tried to spend us into recovery and that has not worked. we are now in debt so deep that it pales in comparison to all the money that Bush spent fighting a War on Terror. When people saw all the cash that Obama spent they were shaken to the point of action. It became apparent that we the people needed to send people to Washington to combat the spending that is taking place. We the people needed to take over the Government and make sure that the spicket would turn off. Most figured it is the only way to make sure some of that "Change" obama promised us would make it into our pockets, although we the people would prefer the folding kind of money. LOL. Although that sounds funny, we the people wish to retain more of our money and not pass it on to fund all these programs that the liberals seem to love so much. Reducing and eliminating Taxation is a big tea party ideal and many others wish it would happen.

Conservatives realize that people are resilient and don't need the government doing things for them that they can do for themselves while Liberals would have the government become involved in your life from the cradle to the grave. Conservatism would have you cut programs that are not needed. Programs that subsidise a lifestyle are not needed. Paying for someone rent and food is not needed. allowing some one to have children and then supporting those children and more than likely having the circle continue into future generations is not needed. Building housing projects for people is not needed. The real deal is that every legal citizen can have a job that suits them. People should work for what they get. The truth is that we could clear the assistance rolls of the people that are getting a free ride and make them work to pay their own way. Sure some are not able to work because of age or physical ability. Still most of them could work. If you are saying we don't have the jobs for them look above to my comments on illegal immigrants. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

The deal is that many things happening in our Great Nation are costing We the People a lot of cash. We pay more in taxes trying to support a system that was not designed to run as it is now running. The solution seen by liberal leaders is to increase taxes to pay for it and those that vote for them could care less as they are not the ones footing the bill. Conservatives see the solution as cutting the waste and eliminating services to those that are not here legally. The Tea Party Movement is about cutting Taxes, Reducing the Government Debt by cutting waste, and returning to the original interpretation of the United Stated Constitution. I just don't see how anyone could see that as a bad thing. I don't see how anyone can say that is something that the un educated or under educated person would hold close to their hearts. It is the uneducated that benefits from the liberal policies that the Tea Party would like to see end. Then again maybe you are aware of highly educated individuals that are on section 8, using food stamps, and other assistance programs.
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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Some of reasons that people are upset and a Teaparty came about.

Conservatives are against illegal immigration.
The US Chamber of Commerce and the Koch brothers aren't.

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Look at your roads today, do you like the condition that they are in? Something that was built to serve X amount of people will over time wear out when it has to serve Y amount of people.
Which is why some conservatives of yesteryear like Goldwater and Ford supported Planned Parenthood and the right to choose.

By opposing choice and birth control you're contributing to this problem.

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Obama has also tried to spend us into recovery and that has not worked.
Hooverian corporate welfare and top-down strategies to deal with economic crisis usually don't work. While it is debatable how much the "bottom-up" policies of FDR helped the economy - the Depression was 10 years long, and even in that 1940-41 post-Depression and pre-war window unemployment was still historically high, although probably better than right now - they were politically successful.

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Conservatives realize that people are resilient and don't need the government doing things for them that they can do for themselves while Liberals would have the government become involved in your life from the cradle to the grave.
So the War on (Some) Drugs is exclusively a liberal thing? Pro-life activism is predominantly liberal?

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Conservatism would have you cut programs that are not needed
I was pleased as a Californian to see two California Republicans amongst the 8 GOP Congressmen who voted in favor of Dennis Kucinich's resolution to pull out of Afghanistan, contrary to the leadership of both parties. Dana Rohrabacher as he's gotten old has increasingly become more of a maverick so his vote didn't surprise me, but John Campbell voting to end the war is very welcome. I wish more would take the advice of the Pauls that cutting the defense budget is essential to maintaining the future fiscal solvency of the US.

Besides the defense budget, the War on Drugs should be on the chopping block.

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Programs that subsidise a lifestyle are not needed. Paying for someone rent and food is not needed.
So you're in favor of eliminating the mortgage deduction and farm subsidies? (If not for farm subsidies which pay farmers not to grow food, not only would our own food prices be lower but the US' trade deficit with China and India would shrink.)

[QUOTE}allowing some one to have children and then supporting those children and more than likely having the circle continue into future generations is not needed.[/quote]

I thought you were a pro-lifer. Nice to see you've changed.

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The truth is that we could clear the assistance rolls of the people that are getting a free ride and make them work to pay their own way. Sure some are not able to work because of age or physical ability. Still most of them could work. If you are saying we don't have the jobs for them look above to my comments on illegal immigrants.
Large corporations are hoarding cash rather than hiring - while in general I tend to favor the market, sometimes the market doesn't do its job. Said corporations need to create more jobs, and need some pressure from government to do so or so it seems.

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The solution seen by liberal leaders is to increase taxes to pay for it and those that vote for them could care less as they are not the ones footing the bill. Conservatives see the solution as cutting the waste and eliminating services to those that are not here legally.
There is merit to both, due to the severity of the situation. Certain taxes are obviously too high, others are obviously too low. Likewise there needs to be a massive cutting of waste and existing laws which prohibit providing certain services to those not here legally should be enforced. What California needs is BOTH.

Many individuals in the Tea Party movement are well-intentioned, but unfortunately the movement was quickly usurped by the GOP and that includes its social conservative wing.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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Yes, and the problem is going on the Internet or news and constantly having to read bulls**t. Even after multiple people specifically point out why it is bulls**t, the people who keep propagating bulls**t keep going on their merry way believing what bulls**t they want to believe. That is what my problem is.

The original topic was about Repub. lawmakers wanting to compromise on allowing the CA voters to vote for a tax increase. The problem about that is (a) we've ALREADY voted on that 2 years ago and the tax hike was rejected by BOTH Republicans AND DEMOCRATS, and (b) I'm sick and tired of 10s of millions of dollars being spent by CA public service unions on propaganda campaigns. Despite this, some lib. lackey or two subsequently calls those who don't want another useless vote "tea partiers" and through some stupid, crazy, insane "guilt by association" tactic imply they are racist for not wanting to vote on a tax increase (does this even make sense?). At least that is what I've gotten from the thread of conversation so far...

Well, I'm here to inform those liberal lackey people that people are not fed up with the current CA process because they belong to some "racist tea party". They are fed up because they are tired of having huge sums of money taken from their wallet by force from California and put into the pockets of people who do not need that much money. Pure and simple. I'm just doing a public service by refocusing the discussion to where it really needs to be.
Hear Hear .. +1 rep point for you. Took the words from my finger tips.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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Some of reasons that people are upset and a Teaparty came about.

Conservatives are against illegal immigration. Does that make them racist? If you are a Liberal you would think so. Liberals like to have people take polls asking what they think of immigrants. They some how forget to mention in those polls that some immigrants have broken the law to get here and are criminals for doing so. Illegal immigrants cost this nation plenty. We the people offer free education to their children. We offer free healthcare to them and their families. They take jobs that we the people could have. Plenty of contractors can't find work but the illegal immigrants that hang out at Home Depot seem to get work form contractors that would rather use them than pay for a legal citizen to do the work. People want someone to clean their home and instead of calling a company to do it they hire an illegal to do it and pay that person a lot less. Our infrastucture is used by the illegals as well. Those of us that are here leggally pay to use the roadway system. We pay to use the parks, we pay to have fire and police protection. Those that are here illegally don't pay for any of that. Still the cost of infrastructure does not stop. Look at your roads today, do you like the condition that they are in? Something that was built to serve X amount of people will over time wear out when it has to serve Y amount of people. You can't evactly blame one political group over another, neither the Republicans or the Democrats have solved this problem. many are upset over it and it aint just the Tea party people.

Conservatives are against big government and the expense to run that government. Liberals would prefer to toss money at a problem to make it go away. Spending more on a problem has never helped. Look at FDR. He spent us into debt trying to get us out of the Great Depresion. It didn't work. We did not return to a growth economy untill we entered World War II. Obama has also tried to spend us into recovery and that has not worked. we are now in debt so deep that it pales in comparison to all the money that Bush spent fighting a War on Terror. When people saw all the cash that Obama spent they were shaken to the point of action. It became apparent that we the people needed to send people to Washington to combat the spending that is taking place. We the people needed to take over the Government and make sure that the spicket would turn off. Most figured it is the only way to make sure some of that "Change" obama promised us would make it into our pockets, although we the people would prefer the folding kind of money. LOL. Although that sounds funny, we the people wish to retain more of our money and not pass it on to fund all these programs that the liberals seem to love so much. Reducing and eliminating Taxation is a big tea party ideal and many others wish it would happen.

Conservatives realize that people are resilient and don't need the government doing things for them that they can do for themselves while Liberals would have the government become involved in your life from the cradle to the grave. Conservatism would have you cut programs that are not needed. Programs that subsidise a lifestyle are not needed. Paying for someone rent and food is not needed. allowing some one to have children and then supporting those children and more than likely having the circle continue into future generations is not needed. Building housing projects for people is not needed. The real deal is that every legal citizen can have a job that suits them. People should work for what they get. The truth is that we could clear the assistance rolls of the people that are getting a free ride and make them work to pay their own way. Sure some are not able to work because of age or physical ability. Still most of them could work. If you are saying we don't have the jobs for them look above to my comments on illegal immigrants. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

The deal is that many things happening in our Great Nation are costing We the People a lot of cash. We pay more in taxes trying to support a system that was not designed to run as it is now running. The solution seen by liberal leaders is to increase taxes to pay for it and those that vote for them could care less as they are not the ones footing the bill. Conservatives see the solution as cutting the waste and eliminating services to those that are not here legally. The Tea Party Movement is about cutting Taxes, Reducing the Government Debt by cutting waste, and returning to the original interpretation of the United Stated Constitution. I just don't see how anyone could see that as a bad thing. I don't see how anyone can say that is something that the un educated or under educated person would hold close to their hearts. It is the uneducated that benefits from the liberal policies that the Tea Party would like to see end. Then again maybe you are aware of highly educated individuals that are on section 8, using food stamps, and other assistance programs.
Hear Hear .. Words that I would say as well.. 100% true. I am neither a democrat/republican because I find both parties to be lackies just looking to keep their jobs (breaking whatever promises they make).
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Many individuals in the Tea Party movement are well-intentioned, but unfortunately the movement was quickly usurped by the GOP and that includes its social conservative wing.
And that's not a bit of what SOON2BNSURPRISE's post was about. The issue is fiscal responsibility. I don't honestly care about the idiots in the republican/democratic/tea party/whatever party. Idiots are idiots. You can talk about fiscal responsibility while leaving out all the other foolishness and that's at the heart of anyone w/ 1/2 a brain in the U.S right now. Sadly, the majority of the people can't even fix their own budgets.. So it doesn't make for a great voter base to decide on issues. Democracy IMO fails when the majority of voters are dumb as rocks voting for things regardless of deficits but only such that their dumb personal agendas benefit. Thus the reason for small govt. to disallow such momentum to build ... As far as corporations and all that crap, Regulation is regulation. It has nothing to do w/ democrats/republicans/conservatives/liberals. You can properly regulate logically/rationally. The issue is that we have all of these regulatory bodies that don't do jack sh*t. Further, regulatory bodies that are corrupted. Name one person going after heads at these bodies of govt. I don't see anyone from either side. Corruption and selfish agendas are getting our country nowhere. With a smaller govt. w/ less handouts, you have less corruption and more democracy via people understanding they can't push the hand of govt. to benefit them and will have to get off their own lazy a**es to make something of themselves.

I am an African American from a poor family (that never used welfare) that did that very thing .. While i watched even other family members a block over (on welfare) waste an opportunity to make something of themselves. Poverty is a great motivator. It sure motivated me and I find nothing wrong with it. I do find something very wrong w/ rewarding failure and bad behavior. Behavioral psychology 101 .. you're gonna get more of it ! Money can't buy morals, worth ethic, dignity, and values. My parents had that and that's what made the difference between me and my peers ... I was raised right and taught to make something of myself w/ my own two hands and handouts from govt. will never measure up to that ! I lived poverty. I lived the American Dream via valuing self-development and I am not going to sit here and endorse the mechanisms that makes people dependent instead of independent !
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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I just popped over here to get some perspective from my fellow Tea Partiers in Kalifornia...

I live near another liberal failure that is known as Chicago...

I'll be waiting to hear the outrage at Obama for launching 114 Cruise missiles at Lybia so The EU can get their Oil

Im gonna bet there wont be a peep out of any of ya's

It appears that since spending cuts are popular and your loosing your fight to bankrupt America you will resort to using any thing under your control...

Conservatives have been calling for more drilling here for how long now???

Good jobs could already be here producing our own energy if it wasn't for YOU...

Gee those missiles might create a few jobs for the guys who make the replacements, but they will just push the knife in deeper...

When will your Hero give back his peace prize???

In case you haven't noticed most in the Tea Party are for bringing our troops home from all over the world....

Id say it's high time we stopped being the UN's Police force...

We need to repeal all of the silly rules and regulations imposed on us by YOU and restore the RULE OF LAW here...

Oh yea Im sure your gonna love the spike in oil prices and the continuing $$$ printing by your beloved FED to try to keep this Ponzi scheme going long enough to make it to the next election...
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