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Old 03-24-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Stolen lands? Give me a break.
Don't know your own countrie's history eh? I suggest you start with Bernard DeVoto's book, 1846, Year of Decision.

The Americans attacked on a broad front,
Sending an army across the Rio Grande, another into Nuevo Mexico, taking Santa Fe, then splitting part heading south to El Paso and into the interior of modern day Mexico. part heading west with Kearny and Kit Carson to California (nearly defeated by the Californios at the battle of San Pasquale, saved by sailors and marines from American ships that took San Diego.
Taking and holding Mexico's west coast ports, and landing an army at Vera Cruz which took and held Mexico City for several years.

The peace treaty required Mexico to give up half the country to the Americans.

If a military invasion that results in the dismembership of a country cannot be called theft, I don't know what is.

 
Old 03-24-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Hogwash



Arizona, from the Spanish 'árida zona



Of course not, land belongs to those who take it and hold it. Aside from Euskal Herria and western France it is hard to find anywhere on the globe where the people living there are the same people as were there a thousand years ago.

If the Mexicans are able to retake the Southwest, how could any American complain, since the Americans took it from the prior owners. If the French want to retake the middle states, and can do it, who is to complain, since it was taken from them, The took much of it from the Spanish, who took it from someone else who took it from someone else.

If the Brits want to and can take back the Eastern Seaboard, why not, since the Brits today are not the Brits of 1050 AD who were not the Brits of 400 AD, etc.

Seems to me the Mexicans are doing a darned fine job of retaking their stolen lands.
Amazing.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Do you know there are these people called Spaniards, that came from a place called Europe?

Do you know that this sentence does not have anything to do with what I posted?
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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If a military invasion that results in the dismembership of a country cannot be called theft, I don't know what is.
That doesn't mean you are entitled to ignore not only the theft but also the genocide of the indigenous people committed by Europeans that led to the existence of the American and Mexican governments in the first place. I don't think either country is entitled to say they are owed land, by your logic, when both countries acquired their land at the bloody expense of those who truly were there first.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Don't know your own countrie's history eh? I suggest you start with Bernard DeVoto's book, 1846, Year of Decision.

The Americans attacked on a broad front,
Sending an army across the Rio Grande, another into Nuevo Mexico, taking Santa Fe, then splitting part heading south to El Paso and into the interior of modern day Mexico. part heading west with Kearny and Kit Carson to California (nearly defeated by the Californios at the battle of San Pasquale, saved by sailors and marines from American ships that took San Diego.
Taking and holding Mexico's west coast ports, and landing an army at Vera Cruz which took and held Mexico City for several years.

The peace treaty required Mexico to give up half the country to the Americans.

If a military invasion that results in the dismembership of a country cannot be called theft, I don't know what is.
Good stuff. Let's not forget that Mexico was weakened as well by the dissatisfaction within it's northern territories that would later become American states as well as it's most southern territories that would later become most of the central American countries.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Pleasanton, CA
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Don't know your own countrie's history eh? I suggest you start with Bernard DeVoto's book, 1846, Year of Decision.

The Americans attacked on a broad front,
Sending an army across the Rio Grande, another into Nuevo Mexico, taking Santa Fe, then splitting part heading south to El Paso and into the interior of modern day Mexico. part heading west with Kearny and Kit Carson to California (nearly defeated by the Californios at the battle of San Pasquale, saved by sailors and marines from American ships that took San Diego.
Taking and holding Mexico's west coast ports, and landing an army at Vera Cruz which took and held Mexico City for several years.

The peace treaty required Mexico to give up half the country to the Americans.

If a military invasion that results in the dismembership of a country cannot be called theft, I don't know what is.

It's funny how you took just one statement out of the entire post that I wrote. I guess the other stuff I wrote just made too much sense.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Do you know that this sentence does not have anything to do with what I posted?
Spain is irrelevant. This was the Mexican-American War. The Spanish-American war would not come till later and fought with a different country resulting in the acquisition of completely different territories. I don't know why people don't get that.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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History debates aside, how many illegals do you think really filled out census forms and mailed them in, or opened the door to the census-taker? The illegals who I know are scared of anyone official...in my last apartment, there was a big group of illegals living next door and whenever my husband came home in his security guard uniform, half of them would run to their van and take off. I'm sure if they looked out their peephole and saw someone they didn't know knocking on their door, they wouldn't answer it. I know illegals who are scared to go to the hospital when they get hurt or call the police when they get robbed. I just can't imagine them all agreeing to be counted in the census.

So we can probably assume that the majority of hispanics counted in the census are legal citizens, and that if there was some method of counting the illegals, the count would be even higher.
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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Breaking news! 6 in 6 americans are human beings... OMG
 
Old 03-24-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Pleasanton, CA
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Breaking news! 6 in 6 americans are human beings... OMG

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