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Old 05-02-2011, 04:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Is there another city/place that resembles San Bernardino, I can't imagine another city doing so...
Riverside, that's about it. The Bay Area has NOTHING that resembles San Bernardino at all!
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:04 PM
 
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I didn't mean in terms of physical appearances, because they are worlds apart in that category. SB is a desert while the Bay Area is, well, a bay. I meant in terms of economics and demographics, what would comparable to San Bernardino in the Bay Area or Northern California? I have a feeling Stockton would be a Northern version of SB. Am I right?
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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I didn't mean in terms of physical appearances, because they are worlds apart in that category. SB is a desert while the Bay Area is, well, a bay. I meant in terms of economics and demographics, what would comparable to San Bernardino in the Bay Area or Northern California? I have a feeling Stockton would be a Northern version of SB. Am I right?
I was thinking SB compared to Oakland in terms of gang violence, crime, desirability.
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I was thinking SB compared to Oakland in terms of gang violence, crime, desirability.
Shows your lack of Knowledge
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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I meant in terms of economics and demographics, what would comparable to San Bernardino in the Bay Area or Northern California?
Even then, not really like Oakland:

San Bernardino 2010


Oakland 2010


Median Household Income
Oakland $49,695
San Bernardino $39,405

Mean Household Income
Oakland $73,975
San Bernardino $50,335

Median Family Income
Oakland $57,325
San Bernardino $42,173

Mean Family Income
Oakland $87,066
San Bernardino $53,141

Housing Units valued at $1,000,000+
Oakland 6,183
San Bernardino 146

Persons Living Below Poverty Line
San Bernardino 26.1%
Oakland 17.5%

Adults with a Bachelor's Degree or Higher
Oakland 36.2%
San Bernardino 12.1%

Adults with a Graduate Degree
Oakland 15.3%
San Bernardino 4.0%

Foreign Born
Oakland 28.1%
San Bernardino 23.6%

And all of this is ironic because Oakland has a higher crime rate than San Bernardino so if that's the angle some are going for perhaps, but to say that Oakland is a city of contrasts is a huge understatement. There are Lots of poor people and lots of wealthy people--not as much as in the middle as we'd like.

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I was thinking SB compared to Oakland in terms of gang violence, crime, desirability.
Well as far as gangs-what Oakland has by way of gangs is very different from San Bernardino. We've had this specific conversation at length in the SF Forum. Suffice it to say that gangs such as you see in Southern California are not now and have never been visible in Oakland until the recent advent of Hispanics en masse, and even then, much of Oakland is totally oblivious to not only gangs, but crime in general.

As far as desirability, Oakland(Piedmont is a 1 square mile town completely surrounded by Oakland) has very desirable neighborhoods:

Oakland Neighborhoods by Average Family Income, 2009 by Onboard LLC
Piedmont-Tyson Lake $460,133
Piedmont-Saint James $365,768
Piedmont-Piedmont Estates $355,862
Los Angeles-Bel Air $306,958
Piedmont-Upper Piedmont $303,711
Piedmont-Crocker Park $242,603
Oakland-Hiller Highlands/ Panoramic Hill $239,554
Piedmont-Echo Canyon $238,378
Piedmont-Piedmont Hills $215,221
Oakland-Claremont $209,361
Oakland-Piedmont Pines $201,150
Piedmont-Piedmont Pines $195,908
Oakland-Montclair $190,041
San Francisco-Pacific Heights $185,865
Oakland-Crocker Highlands $184,125
Piedmont-Piedmont Civic Center $180,046
Oakland-Upper Rockridge $167,153
Oakland-Forestland $164,097
Oakland-Rockridge $148,127
Oakland-Glen Highlands $147,576
Oakand-Sheffield Village $139,264
Oakland-Trestle Glen $135,495
Oakland-Oakmore $129,452
Oakland-Caballo Hills $125,920
Oakland-Leona Heights $125,920
Oakland-Skyline-Hillcrest Estates $125,920
Oakland-Chabot Park $123,738
Oakland-Redwood Heights $116,144
Oakland-Crestmont/ Woodminster $110,923

The Oakland Hills runs the expanse of the city North to South and is home to thousands of wealthy and highly educated households:





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Old 05-02-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Shows your lack of Knowledge
Well, can you blame him. The media crucifies us like no other CA city.

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Old 05-02-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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Shows your lack of Knowledge
What am I lacking?
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:32 PM
 
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Even then, not really like Oakland:
You are correct! Oakland is much worse wrt crime than Sanbardo and was actually ranked #3 in 2009 for highest crime cities in the nation according to FBI data. Sanbardo was ranked 46.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009...9_Rank_Rev.pdf
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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You are correct! Oakland is much worse wrt crime than Sanbardo and was actually ranked #3 in 2009 for highest crime cities in the nation according to FBI data. Sanbardo was ranked 46.

http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2009...9_Rank_Rev.pdf
Yet Oakland obviously attracts a huge wealthy and highly educated demographic that San Bernardino does NOT. I wonder if you will acknowledge that?

OTOH, I readily acknowledge that Oakland has a higher crime rate than 'Sanbardo'(never heard this name before), but that's old news. Everyone knows that already and there is far more to Oakland than its crime rate. I wonder if the same can be said of "sanbardo"?

Im not going to make statements of things I dont know anything about so I will leave it to people from "sanbardo" to fill us in on the charms and benefits of their city, of which Im sure there is no shortage.
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Old 05-02-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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Yet Oakland obviously attracts a huge wealthy and highly educated demographic that San Bernardino does NOT. I wonder if you will acknowledge that?

OTOH, I readily acknowledge that Oakland has a higher crime rate than 'Sanbardo'(never heard this name before), but that's old news. Everyone knows that already and there is far more to Oakland than its crime rate. I wonder if the same can be said of "sanbardo"?

Im not going to make statements of things I dont know anything about so I will leave it to people from "sanbardo" to fill us in on the charms and benefits of their city, of which Im sure there is no shortage.
San Bernardino does have some nice areas. We rent a cabin and take our lake boat up to Big Bear lake in the San Bernardino mountains each year. Itís a beautiful place. San Bernardino does have mansions in certain nice areas but they do have the rough areas that I would not want to be caught in at night.
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