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Old 05-04-2011, 01:33 AM
 
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Hey friends,

This is mainly a question for Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters.

My question is: Why do you live in California??

My sister lives in Los Angeles, so I often think about moving out there... but I don't know if I would be able to handle the mental anguish that comes from high taxes, absurd regulations and the resulting high cost of living.

So... in light of these things, why do you live in California? Is it because your family is there? Is it because the 300 sunny days a year trumps everything else? Have you been able to structure your business in such a way as to avoid high taxation?

I would love to hear your responses.

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Old 05-04-2011, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Escondido, CA
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I'd ask the same question, but replace "California" with "Developed world". It seems so silly to live in a developed country for a libertarian. They all have big governments, extensive social safety nets, tax-funded infrastructure, even pollution laws! Ugh! It should be anyone's God-given right to dump any kind of toxic chemical in the atmosphere. In libertarian-friendly countries, it still is. Somalia is a classic example. (I wonder why Ron Paul and his kid Rand don't move to Somalia: everyone would be so much happier.)
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:21 AM
 
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I agree more with the Libertarians than any other political party. The reason I'm in CA is that my mother's here (she has alzheimer's). But, I absolutely do not plan on staying here. CA used to be a great state (I'm a native Californian) but it no longer is so.
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Old 05-04-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I'd ask the same question, but replace "California" with "Developed world". It seems so silly to live in a developed country for a libertarian. They all have big governments, extensive social safety nets, tax-funded infrastructure, even pollution laws! Ugh! It should be anyone's God-given right to dump any kind of toxic chemical in the atmosphere. In libertarian-friendly countries, it still is. Somalia is a classic example. (I wonder why Ron Paul and his kid Rand don't move to Somalia: everyone would be so much happier.)
+1 for you in this thread at least
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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I'd ask the same question, but replace "California" with "Developed world". It seems so silly to live in a developed country for a libertarian. They all have big governments, extensive social safety nets, tax-funded infrastructure, even pollution laws! Ugh! It should be anyone's God-given right to dump any kind of toxic chemical in the atmosphere. In libertarian-friendly countries, it still is. Somalia is a classic example. (I wonder why Ron Paul and his kid Rand don't move to Somalia: everyone would be so much happier.)
Pure hyperbole. A country like Somalia doesn't have anything that resembles true free market capitalism. It's run by criminal gangs. Of course, at the rate we're going we may end up just like Somalia. Our criminal gangs exist in large coroprations as well as the government. Both stifle true competition and free enterprise. Libertarians understand this. Most other people pick one side or the other and attack people who don't think as they do.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are Libertarians who favor higher taxes, because markets work better when market failures such as pollution are corrected.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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I agree more with the Libertarians than any other political party. The reason I'm in CA is that my mother's here (she has alzheimer's). But, I absolutely do not plan on staying here. CA used to be a great state (I'm a native Californian) but it no longer is so.
Thank you. Thus far, you are the only person who has answered the question.
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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I'd ask the same question, but replace "California" with "Developed world". It seems so silly to live in a developed country for a libertarian. They all have big governments, extensive social safety nets, tax-funded infrastructure, even pollution laws! Ugh! It should be anyone's God-given right to dump any kind of toxic chemical in the atmosphere. In libertarian-friendly countries, it still is. Somalia is a classic example. (I wonder why Ron Paul and his kid Rand don't move to Somalia: everyone would be so much happier.)
You obviously don't know the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist. I would encourage you to stop embarrassing yourself so publicly (for your own sake).
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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It's funny how even with all the horrible government regulation and taxes in California, we are the state with the largest economy in the US, the largest population in the US, many of the most innovative companies in the world, and probably the highest concentration of innovative companies in the world.

Anyone who knows about free market economics knows that what makes something cost more is simply supply and demand. Fundamentally it's expensive to live in parts of California because lots of people want to live those places, and there is only so much room. And as far as structuring your business to avoid taxes goes, I think the way Google and Apple and the zillions of other high tech companies in California deal with it is by being so innovative and profitable that a little extra taxes don't matter too much. I would recommend that route for you, and if you can't do it, there are lots of states with lower taxes where your less profitable business might be able to survive. Being a libertarian, I'm sure you are very sympathetic to the whole survival of the fittest thing.
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Old 05-04-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: New York City/San Diego, CA
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In terms of social libertarians, coastal California (and even more so Massachusetts) would seem to be a great place to be! Most here don't want God in the public schools and firmly believe in the separation of church and state. We don't want the government to outlaw gay marriage or forbid abortion (unlike Ron Paul which strikes me as hypocritical). In addition, the recreational use of marijuana is pretty socially accepted in both places.
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