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Old 06-02-2011, 01:31 AM
 
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Amazon Tax Bill Passes State Assembly | NBC Los Angeles
The broke beast continues its search for revenue
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:39 AM
 
Location: California
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I hope not.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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This is really comical when you think about it. There have been multiple court rulings stating one state can't force a business in another state to collect taxes.

And I really don't think all that much is lost in sales tax revenue. I think anyone who is smart enough to do the math can figure out shipping costs from out of state companies can cost more than what they will save in sales taxes. Besides, many of the best deals on the internet come from companies located in California.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Why shouldn't Amazon pay taxes? Every other book store has to pay taxes so why should online retailers receive an unfair advantage over brick and mortar stores?
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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This is really comical when you think about it. There have been multiple court rulings stating one state can't force a business in another state to collect taxes.

And I really don't think all that much is lost in sales tax revenue. I think anyone who is smart enough to do the math can figure out shipping costs from out of state companies can cost more than what they will save in sales taxes. Besides, many of the best deals on the internet come from companies located in California.
Wrong. I have on many occasions saved money buying from out of state vendors with free shipping rather than buying from local brick and mortar or California based web companies.

I have also purchased items and had them delivered to stores just over the border for pickup timed for when I head over to Nevada. All perfectly legal and saves me tons of money even after figuring in gas money wear and tear that I would have spent anyway going to Reno or Vegas. Thats what happens in a repressive tax environment the stifles commerce where it should be located. Locally. But hey keep voting for those idiot *******s running things there in Sacramento.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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There are plenty of California based online retailers that other states could start dinging for sales tax collection. The state legislature needs to let sleeping dogs like.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Why shouldn't Amazon pay taxes? Every other book store has to pay taxes so why should online retailers receive an unfair advantage over brick and mortar stores?
Actually, the blame lies with the consumers looking for ways save extra money when shopping around. People aren't consciously responsible by keeping records of out-of-state purchases to pay the Use Tax.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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All this law will do is cut jobs from all the CA based affiliates who do business with AMZN. Much like with other states who have tried to go after AMZN in a similar capacity, it just results in net loss of jobs and nothing else. They will just fire all the affiliates, and good game California.

It is not AMZN's fault or the consumers that CA has a volatile tax structure comprised of income taxes heavily dependent on boom time capital gains revenue, sales tax which increasingly becomes dependent on illegally getting out of state vendors to comply and car taxes/registration which is hard to enforce.

A 21st century tax structure is all about ease of compliance, IMO. CA is like the RIAA and MPAA, trying to sue their way out of debt/irrelevance. Good luck with that. Instead, come up with a business model that actaully works.
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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All this law will do is cut jobs from all the CA based affiliates who do business with AMZN. Much like with other states who have tried to go after AMZN in a similar capacity, it just results in net loss of jobs and nothing else. They will just fire all the affiliates, and good game California.

It is not AMZN's fault or the consumers that CA has a volatile tax structure comprised of income taxes heavily dependent on boom time capital gains revenue, sales tax which increasingly becomes dependent on illegally getting out of state vendors to comply and car taxes/registration which is hard to enforce.

A 21st century tax structure is all about ease of compliance, IMO. CA is like the RIAA and MPAA, trying to sue their way out of debt/irrelevance. Good luck with that. Instead, come up with a business model that actaully works.
Another Economic Disappointment: Initial Claims At 422K On Expectations Of 417K

The 4-week moving average was 425,500, a decrease of 14,000 from the previous week's revised average of 439,500, now that the outlier whopper from a month ago drops out of the moving average. The states with the biggest increase in claims was California, with +7,053 layoffs in the service industry. Continuing claims were also higher than expectations of 3,675K, printing at 3,711K, but, you guessed it, it is a drop from the prevoius number which was revised from 3,690 to, wait for it, 3,712K. Those rolling off benefits and hitting the 99 week cliff naturally gets bigger and bigger as the depression progresses, with 5k less under EUCs and Extended Benefits programs.

Yeah, keep it up Cali ! My theory is playing out just as I had expected.
Non-farm payroll #'s tomorrow : Economic Calendar: Financial Calendars - Yahoo! Finance

Going to be an exciting day in markets.
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Placerville
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Wrong. I have on many occasions saved money buying from out of state vendors with free shipping rather than buying from local brick and mortar or California based web companies.

I have also purchased items and had them delivered to stores just over the border for pickup timed for when I head over to Nevada. All perfectly legal and saves me tons of money even after figuring in gas money wear and tear that I would have spent anyway going to Reno or Vegas. Thats what happens in a repressive tax environment the stifles commerce where it should be located.
Perhaps it is the difference between what you and I buy over the internet. I usually buy electronics and horticultural items. I've found the difference between paying taxes and shipping in and out of state in my favour most of the time. Additionally, many places offer free or discounted shipping for purchases of higher amounts. I realize Amazon does this, but every time I've attempted to take advantage of free shipping through Amazon they had some loophole that disqualified their free shipping offer. And really, I don't think it is the matter of sales taxes or not. It is the final price. A huge online-only warehouse is going to have a huge advantage in the cost of overhead that few local retailers are going to have the ability to compete with.

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But hey keep voting for those idiot *******s running things there in Sacramento.
What is the problem here? Every time you have replied to one of my posts it has been in an aggressive tone, as if you have some personal issue with me. And if you are addressing me personally, that is quite the accusation from someone who knows nothing about me. I can't remember the last time I voted for a Democrat or a Republican.
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