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Old 06-08-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Someone posts a deficit #on CA .. your reply "You are just looking around the internet for any numbers that seem bad, it doesn't matter the source, how it retails to the topic etc." / "you're not analyzing this objectively...its just an emotional mess."
You're ignoring the point, namely, that posting a bunch of numbers that you believe "sound bad" that are either out of context or are just plain irrelevant doesn't serve any function...its just doom and gloom.

Referring to data is only interesting if the data actually supports what is being claimed.


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The great thing about you is that you are gonna stay here and love it no matter how bad things get....
I don't follow, why would I stay no matter how bad things get? I'm not against relocating and have thought about it numerous times, but at the moment things are fine and I'm in no rush.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Yeah, RAISE taxes on the low and middle income folks and let the gov't grow. That will surely solve the budget deficit, right?
Who said anything about letting the government grow? The point is to fully fund the government and get rid of the deficit, you can get rid of the deficit by raising taxes. Normally I'd suggest raising taxes on the wealthy, but California already has a very progressive tax system so increasing the burden on lower and mid income folks makes sense.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Also, even ones HQed here are generally not incorporated here.
This doesn't matter, whether a corporation is domestic or foreign they pay the same taxes on their California operations and pay no California taxes on operations in other states or countries.
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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Who said anything about letting the government grow? The point is to fully fund the government and get rid of the deficit, you can get rid of the deficit by raising taxes. Normally I'd suggest raising taxes on the wealthy, but California already has a very progressive tax system so increasing the burden on lower and mid income folks makes sense.
You are thinking like a liberal ...

The people did not cause the states budget problems ... the state politicians did ... so why punish the tax payers when the politicians can fix the problem the right way without raising taxes ... by cutting the wasteful spending ... by actually managing how they spend and the agencies that spend it ... by reducing the tax burden on the people and businesses and reducing the unnecessary regulations to a "reasonable and effective level" ... allow businesses to grow and be profitable ... the more profitable they are the more taxes they pay ... run the state like a CEO would run a successful company ... actually manage!
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The people did not cause the states budget problems ... the state politicians did ... so why punish the tax payers when the politicians can fix the problem the right way without raising taxes ...
Huh? The people elect the state politicians so ultimately....its the people that are to blame. Secondly, the only way the state can solve the budgetary problems without raising taxes is if it significantly cuts social programs...programs that are largely supported by state residents. In particular, the state would have to make major cuts to education on top of the cuts they've already made.

Brown wanted to let Californians to vote on the tax issue, as should be the case, but it was blocked.....

Now you want to reduce taxes? The state already has a large deficit and it would take large cuts to solve it without additional taxes, but reducing taxes would result in massive cuts. For what exactly? California has had high tax rates for decades, yet it has the largest economy in the nation.

This is something I don't understand about you folks, you want California to essentially be a low-service bright red state, but these states already exist in the union...why not move to one? This is one of the great things about the US, each state can implement its own policies and people can move to the states that have policies they tend to agree with.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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Normally I'd suggest raising taxes on the wealthy, but California already has a very progressive tax system so increasing the burden on lower and mid income folks makes sense.
Wow.......Oooook.

I think California is running out of people to tax, don't you?

LA County for example...how many of these employers are privately owned not living off of tax payers. This is only LA County


Largest Employers in Los Angeles County, 2009

Kroger Co.
140,000

County of Los Angeles
109,500

Los Angeles Unified School District
104,900

City of Los Angeles
56,200

Federal Government*
48,100

Kaiser Permanente
34,100

State of California (non-education)
30,500

University of California, Los Angeles
28,400

Northrop Grumman Corp.
19,100

Boeing Co.
14,400

Long Beach Unified School District
13,100

http://www.laalmanac.com/employment/em21e.htm
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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Huh? The people elect the state politicians so ultimately....its the people that are to blame. Secondly, the only way the state can solve the budgetary problems without raising taxes is if it significantly cuts social programs...programs that are largely supported by state residents. In particular, the state would have to make major cuts to education on top of the cuts they've already made.

Brown wanted to let Californians to vote on the tax issue, as should be the case, but it was blocked.....

Now you want to reduce taxes? The state already has a large deficit and it would take large cuts to solve it without additional taxes, but reducing taxes would result in massive cuts. For what exactly? California has had high tax rates for decades, yet it has the largest economy in the nation.

This is something I don't understand about you folks, you want California to essentially be a low-service bright red state, but these states already exist in the union...why not move to one? This is one of the great things about the US, each state can implement its own policies and people can move to the states that have policies they tend to agree with.
Still thinking liberal .... blame the people or anyone and anything except the liberal politicians. The voters keep voting in liberals because the liberals figured out a way to game the system. Create a welfare state where people are dependent on the liberal politicians and they keep voting liberal because they don't want the free meal ticket gone. This is the same reason why the liberals want the illegal aliens in California. The Mexican's and other immigrants will vote democrat if they think the democrats will grant citizenship to the illegal aliens. They will vote democrat if the democrats will provide free healthcare, education and other handouts to the illegal aliens. Same deal with the unions. The unionized employees get the big and undeserved paychecks and benefits (pensions) because the democrats support the unions and the union workers will vote democrat because they are getting paid the big bucks from out tax dollars. This is just a few examples of how the liberal game the system. If you look at what Obama is doing on a federal level its very similar to what California successfully did.

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Old 06-08-2011, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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I think California is running out of people to tax, don't you?
No, its the most populous state in the union.

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LA County for example...how many of these employers are privately owned not living off of tax payers. This is only LA County
You are looking at the largest employers, this is usually the government for obvious reasons. The vast majority of businesses employ less than 1,000 people.
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Old 06-08-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Still thinking liberal ....
No idea why you keep saying this, can you make a point without talking about liberals?

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This is just a few examples of how the liberal game the system. If you look at what Obama is doing on a federal level its very similar to what California successfully did.
Liberals game the system because they create social systems that people like? Sounds like you don't like democracy.
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Old 06-08-2011, 10:18 PM
 
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No idea why you keep saying this, can you make a point without talking about liberals?


Liberals game the system because they create social systems that people like? Sounds like you don't like democracy.
No, this is far from democracy. It's corruption.
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