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Old 06-07-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Clovis Strong, NM
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Being a fan of Old West gunfighters, lawmen, and outlaws in general, I'm still surprised by how many of the related historical figures have brought there influence to various parts of CA during their heyday.

SF and LA were at one time some rough and tumble, "shoot-em up" types of cities, cattle-ranching was very common in most areas, and "roughing it" was the general norm in most other areas.
Nowadays, with all the modern, urban encroachment into many of the aforementioned areas, it's almost hard to believe that anything of major historical significance took place.

Now go out to AZ, NV, and UT and there are many towns and small cities that retain quite a few elements from their own wild-west days.
Ones that are easy to see and point out.

Not another anti-CA gripe, but more of a "what happened anyway?"
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: South Bay
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i'm guessing those stereotypes wen't away more than a century ago. SF has been a major international city for at least that long and LA was a major oil producer before there was a Hollywood. CA was always about farming as well with favorable climate and rich soil. I'm not sure CA was really ever as a cowboy area (except for maybe the desert areas close to NV and AZ). granted there are a few ghost towns of former mining camps, but that's probably as "wild west" as CA ever got.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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There are plenty of historical sites and ranching in California. In NorCal I can think of the entire Mother lode (towns like Nevada City, Jackson, Angel's Camp, Murphys, Sonora, Columbia, Jamestown and Mariposa). There are historic markers all up and down Hwy 49. That doesn't take into account the cattle ranching all over the Sierra foothills. Plus there's the string of Spanish missions up and down the coast and if that doesn't speak of a historical perspective I don't know what does. Monterey's downtown is filled with Spanish/Mexican adobes and American era Victorian structures. A number of communities have large rodeos every year (Oakdale, Clovis and Salinas come to mind). Plus there are county fairs everywhere that display that ranching and livestock work. Towns on the North Coast like Ft. Bragg, Eureka, Mendocino and Ferndale have lots of historical reminders of their whaling and Victorian heritage. Sacramento has its Old Sacramento SHP and Sutter's Fort. Not to mention the spectacularly preserved Bodie in the high desert of Eastern California. I haven't even scratched the surface of the "Old West" stuff you can enjoy in California. We can give any of those states you mentioned a run for their money (and probably beat them).

Right now I'm looking out my back window at the cattle grazing at the foot of Table Mountain.

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Old 06-07-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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CA was more of a retirement spot for Old West characters who gained fame elsewhere. Some of the Earps, including Wyatt, moved and died there. The eldest Earp brother is buried in the same San Bernardino cemetery as my grandparents and great grandparents.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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"Great horney toads". Ya don't think ole Califorine is just a rutten, tutten, shoot em up place? Ya must a bin talkin to that long eared varmint. You know the one with his, "What's up doc" and all that there other Yankee talk of his".
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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CA was more of a retirement spot for Old West characters who gained fame elsewhere. Some of the Earps, including Wyatt, moved and died there. The eldest Earp brother is buried in the same San Bernardino cemetery as my grandparents and great grandparents.
I guess no one reminded Black Bart and Joaquin Murrietta to retire and stop their robbing when they got here.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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when I think 'wild west' I think Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado, even the great plains states. I don't really think of California, as it was settled a lot earlier than many of those more inland places. Maybe just the gold rush locations like around Sacramento. But really I think of CA and the west coast more as the settled place that people thought of more as the destination. The stuff in the middle is the wild stuff.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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1987.

Even as recently as the early 80s I used to run into a number of "cowboy" figures in the workplace, especially in the tech biz. Something snapped in the mid 80s. Firms out here (especially in tech but even some more traditional ones) decided they needed to have more of an "Ivy League" / post-American pastiche, and slowly but surely they ushered out the "characters" and brought in bland robots with MBAs, as they "standardized" things.

To be fair, I am guessing that IBs and VCs applied some external pressure. Furthermore, demographic trends brought in floods of people who did not value the "Old West" and who did not move here in search of the older pastiche.

Note: I still own boots and a Resistol, so there, all you bland MBAs! - LOL!
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Too many slick weasel east coast new yorker types moved out here and diluted the heritage.






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Old 06-07-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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There are plenty of historical sites and ranching in California. In NorCal I can think of the entire Mother lode (towns like Nevada City, Jackson, Angel's Camp, Murphys, Sonora, Columbia, Jamestown and Mariposa). There are historic markers all up and down Hwy 49. That doesn't take into account the cattle ranching all over the Sierra foothills. Plus there's the string of Spanish missions up and down the coast and if that doesn't speak of a historical perspective I don't know what does. Monterey's downtown is filled with Spanish/Mexican adobes and American era Victorian structures. A number of communities have large rodeos every year (Oakdale, Clovis and Salinas come to mind). Plus there are county fairs everywhere that display that ranching and livestock work. Towns on the North Coast like Ft. Bragg, Eureka, Mendocino and Ferndale have lots of historical reminders of their whaling and Victorian heritage. Sacramento has its Old Sacramento SHP and Sutter's Fort. Not to mention the spectacularly preserved Bodie in the high desert of Eastern California. I haven't even scratched the surface of the "Old West" stuff you can enjoy in California. We can give any of those states you mentioned a run for their money (and probably beat them).

Right now I'm looking out my back window at the cattle grazing at the foot of Table Mountain.
I find old horseshoes, old bottles and other leavings from the old wranglers, out in the back part of our land. The old house that had the rancho is still there on a side road a few hundred yards up the main road from our spur. We're talking SF burbs here.
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