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Old 06-27-2011, 04:48 PM
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Places continually change: some advance; others decay; very few innovate and create new wealth; most cling to past histories, old tech, analog ways of life and often advocate protectionism/unionization to avoid competition's effects on their economies, companies and jobs/incomes
Memories fade
"Average" American (or German or Japanese) failed to acquire relevant math skills to obtain higher-income jobs of a modern, globalized, virtualized tech-driven economy

That said, ~40yrs ago a new Stanford PhD in aeronautics/mechanical engg had far dimmer earnings prospects or job security than did an illiterate/innumerate UAW worker in MI, despite building crappy, overpriced cars even way back then

Today, many of world's wealthiest kids are Stanford-educated software engineers in CA...most of whom immigrated to CA from elsewhere in US, often from middle-income suburbia (upward mobility alive and well)...or, legally, from India

Suspect CA will be an even more enjoyable and productive place when more nontaxpayers and welfare parasites leave for mythically "better" places

Would argue more at risk of obsolescence is traditional media industry itself w/its moronic, biased "journalists" (like the author of linked article)...and their Luddite home: Manhattan, which is a hell of a lot more highly taxed than CA and offers much higher housing costs and worse traffic, despite crappy weather....and a NYC finance industry which is now less lucrative than PaloAlto's tech industry for the highest-skilled, most productive workers and entrepreneurs

Best leading indicator of any place is where smartest kids from anywhere on planet choose to migrate to seek most lucrative career opportunities: today, nowhere on planet comes close to PaloAlto area...a phenom that wasn't so clear cut until past 15yrs or so: 20-25yrs ago most smart, ambitious kids chose to migrate to Manhattan to start their careers in finance, with PaloAlto or BevHills as a second choice

Old 06-27-2011, 05:38 PM
Location: SW MO
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Originally Posted by Fontucky View Post
Not to mention an assload of C-D posters...
Ya mean like this?

Old 06-27-2011, 05:53 PM
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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Brian Wilson could turn things around with another California song.

I'm pickin' up Good 2011 Vibrations. Jerry Brown is giving me excitations. Good, good, good -- good 2011 vibrations.
Old 06-27-2011, 10:04 PM
Location: Cupertino, CA
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Default The California Dream is fizzling out

Seeing people in other parts of the country buried under snow in winter, I think I'm staying put.

Santa Ana, California (CNN) -- For California native Elaine Cali -- yes, that's her real name -- the best thing about growing up here was the smell of orange blossoms.

The California Dream is fizzling out - CNN.com
Old 06-27-2011, 10:49 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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I liked this article. Ca couldn't boom forever and it's pretty much hit its tipping point. Now maybe with slower growth we can focus on fixing the problems that plague this state. Hopefully poor, uneducated immigrants will choose other states since they are cheaper and offer better job opportunities because CA has enough of them imo. CA is just becoming more similar to the northeast as it ages imo, it still can be prosperous but it's gonna have to do it without depending on high growth rates, that type of growth simply isn't sustainable.
Old 06-28-2011, 01:07 AM
Location: Southern California
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Originally Posted by NewToCA View Post
Ehhh, you can really state this about any area in the country.I have great memories of old Philly and south Jersey, and I would express similar sentiments about the changes that I've seen there over the past nearly 60 years (especially to places such as Atlantic City).

Kind of depends upon your own personal baseline, I guess.
That is pretty much the standard response on these forums when anything negative is said about CA. It's really just not true! However, often the people saying it have a comparison of somewhere in Ohio or Pennsylvania. If that is the frame of reference, well then yes it might seem true! Then again, we never had a national "Pennsylvania Dream"
Old 06-28-2011, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fontucky View Post
Proudly a California horse's ass.
Better than a true "Jack Ass" the Missouri Mule:

Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

Office of the Secretary of State, Missouri -

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Old 06-28-2011, 07:49 AM
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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CA Dream Fizzling Out
Probably not

According to an analysis by Pete Warden, the state is still home to a significant chunk of the zip codes where startups are located. In response to venture capitalist Brad Feld's musing about the "entrepreneurial density" of Boulder, Colo., Warden collected data from the CrunchBase website and the U.S. Census Bureau to take a stab at actually measuring the problem.

CrunchBase is a "free directory of technology companies, people and investors that anyone can edit," according to its website. Taking this directory and using Census data, Warden looked at "the total number of companies in a location, and how much venture money they'd raised between them," and parsed it by the "amount raised per person" and "companies per person."

Either way you parse it, five of the top ten zip codes for startups are in California. Given Silicon Valley's reputation, some people might expect a much higher number. But it's still a dominant position for a state repeatedly tagged as over-regulated and overtaxed.
Old 06-28-2011, 07:57 AM
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Originally Posted by rgb123 View Post
That is pretty much the standard response on these forums when anything negative is said about CA. It's really just not true!
While it isn't true that all states rose up in popularity (no Pennsylvania Dream) and then fell down, most if not all other states are suffering the same or similar problems California is, aren't they? Who cares about the past? Is it worth it to move from one state with problems to another?
Old 06-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Location: San Francisco
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We've just reached a state of maturity. The boom couldn't continue indefinitely and I doubt many people would want it to given the pressure on resources and the environment. Becoming a more mature state doesn't mean the end of the line. New England, New York, Pennsylvania, etc... have all matured to the point of little numerical growth, but still have dynamic, adaptive economies. Since that 1977 article that foretold the end of the California Dream we've had growth from defense spending in the 1980s, the birth of the tech sector in the 1990s and from the ill-fated housing boom of the 2000s. Now we've hit a rough patch, but that won't last forever. The state has too many consumers, too many talented people and too many natural attributes to stagnate.

The article did make me bristle a bit with its focus almost entirely on the LA/OC metro area (as if that is all there is to the state).
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