All power to the unions (San Diego: health insurance, lender, how much)
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The San Jose Leftist Mercury News has never been accused of right-leaning editorials, but here's what even their far-left-of-center editorial board has to say about this and other bills:
Some long time democrats/liberals have started to take a step back and question whats really going on. They are now starting to realize the current "liberal" movement (in Government power) is far from what traditional democrats/liberals have worked for. They see a real threat to our society as we know it. They can see the direction California and the federal government is heading and its not what they want. They are actually planning major protests for this October against the Obama policies and they are calling it a "Arab Spring" type protests in Washington and around the country.
He said Oakland police officers "are digging deep in their pockets in this time of need" and the concessions mean they will be taking home $9,000 to $15,000 less a year.
In my own department, we have ALL taken a 24% pay cut over the past 3 years and will probably take another pay cut next year.
But all you anti union people don't ever post the facts. You listen to some errornet rumor and really have no clue what you are talking about.
Police officers, all over this state, are voting OVERWHELMINGLY to take pay cuts, revamp the pension issue, etc all in an attempt to help out the city and state. Moreover, the people of the cities they work for. But again, no one EVER, especially on here, ever says anything about it.
He said Oakland police officers "are digging deep in their pockets in this time of need" and the concessions mean they will be taking home $9,000 to $15,000 less a year.
In my own department, we have ALL taken a 24% pay cut over the past 3 years and will probably take another pay cut next year.
But all you anti union people don't ever post the facts. You listen to some errornet rumor and really have no clue what you are talking about.
Police officers, all over this state, are voting OVERWHELMINGLY to take pay cuts, revamp the pension issue, etc all in an attempt to help out the city and state. Moreover, the people of the cities they work for. But again, no one EVER, especially on here, ever says anything about it.
Why do you think the police and all of the other public employees are suddenly making these concessions? This is just fuel for the fire that something was wrong, very wrong, and now the public employees see the writing on the wall. Now they are trying to make self imposed cuts in an effort to win over public opinion. Unfortunately this is a losing battle because the state and local zombie governments are bankrupt and our national economy is quickly heading towards collapse.
Bet you were a track star in school the way you jump to conclusions. To bad all that track time got in thje way of basic courses in logic, reading comprehension and other useful subjects.
I stated what I meant and you've added nothing useful to it.
Having been party to negotiations like these I know that the municipality is showing up with attornies and actuaries to prove their case so the idea that the municipality didn't know the impact the contract would have is just bull. They were either lying then or they are lying now.
When one side can not be trusted to live up to the contract they signed negotiations are futile
Having been party to negotiations like these I know that the municipality is showing up with attornies and actuaries to prove their case so the idea that the municipality didn't know the impact the contract would have is just bull. They were either lying then or they are lying now.
When one side can not be trusted to live up to the contract they signed negotiations are futile
That's what you get when one corrupt organization deals with another corrupt organization.
That's what you get when one corrupt organization deals with another corrupt organization.
What was corrupt in California was the Bankers on the PERS Board who used the pension fund to buy up worthless stock so they could unload it from their clients leaving the taxpayers and the Police and Firemen screwed. It certainly had nothing to do with the Unions
What was corrupt in California was the Bankers on the PERS Board who used the pension fund to buy up worthless stock so they could unload it from their clients leaving the taxpayers and the Police and Firemen screwed. It certainly had nothing to do with the Unions
''The flavor of the board is changing,'' said James McRitchie, a state auditor who has run unsuccessfully several times for a seat on the Calpers board. ''You're going to see a board that's increasingly tied to labor.'' Driving the change is a new alignment in the fund's boardroom. Calpers trustees have far more power than directors have over companies, and now, for the first time in memory, all 13 represent either labor or the Democratic Party.
Ehhh, not so sure I completely agree with you here.
If the pay and benefits were something that only came into existence in recent years I'd say you have a point. However, if these have been in existence for extended periods of time and are only now becoming a problem due to other national financial concerns then I'd say you are a bit off base there.
I do agree that public benefits could use an evaluation and change to make them more in line with appropriate compensation. But, I do think there is a LOT OF DEMONIZING and misstating benefits and financial impacts due to the lack of accurate information today.
And I significantly include FOX as a contributor to this lack of accurate public disclosures.
I work in the public sector and I can vouch for the fact that pension forumulas got more generous in the late 1990s and early 2000s for most public sector folks in CA (local & state). It sounded great at the time, but the unions knew but didn't care about the huge wave of Baby Boomers in the public sector who were about to retire and drain the system.
Here is just one example of many:
CalSTRS had an unusually low funding level in the mid-1970s, about 30 percent of what was needed for future obligations. A booming stock market and legislation increasing contributions boosted funding to about 110 percent by 2000.
As soon as CalSTRS neared full funding, a half dozen bills increased pensions in various ways. In a time of teacher shortages, advocates said, better retirement benefits would be attractive and keep experienced teachers on the job longer.
I work in the public sector and I can vouch for the fact that pension forumulas got more generous in the late 1990s and early 2000s for most public sector folks in CA (local & state). It sounded great at the time, but the unions knew but didn't care about the huge wave of Baby Boomers in the public sector who were about to retire and drain the system.
Here is just one example of many:
CalSTRS had an unusually low funding level in the mid-1970s, about 30 percent of what was needed for future obligations. A booming stock market and legislation increasing contributions boosted funding to about 110 percent by 2000.
As soon as CalSTRS neared full funding, a half dozen bills increased pensions in various ways. In a time of teacher shortages, advocates said, better retirement benefits would be attractive and keep experienced teachers on the job longer.
In those specific cases where pension and/or supplemental retirement benefits were increased I believe the officials need to reevaluate lessening benefits or increasing member payments to the funds.
In those specific cases where pension and/or supplemental retirement benefits were increased I believe the officials need to reevaluate lessening benefits or increasing member payments to the funds.
Tell that to my fireman neighbor who makes well over $150K per year and lives in a million dollar house. Our city is trying to negotiate with the firefighters union, because the city is in the red, and they are unwilling to give. Matter of fact they want an iron clad contract for the next several years to garentee pay and benefits.
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