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Old 07-11-2011, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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First of all they money being used to party and gamble in casinos is despicable. California shells out a hell of a lot in welfare...this is the welfare capital of the US right. If you think that is ok then you are just beyond reasoning with.
When did I suggest that this is okay? You missed the point, the fact that some small percentage of people abuse the welfare system doesn't mean the welfare system is bad.

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As much money as this state hands out you would think they could stand stronger on helping the poor uneducated to have sex responsibly.

They do, but conservative groups fight realistic sex education, abortions, the availability of the so called "abortion pill", etc.

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This state rewards those who are poor and uneducated for having a baby...that is no way to really help them now is it!
No, the state provides funding for kids that were born by parents that can't support them. What is the alternative?
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:57 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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When people from Phoenix post articles from right-wing propaganda sites....yes it is.
It's getting to be the norm now that anything posted from Rightwingers, the GOP, Conservatives, Neocons, and the Tea Party, is absolutely pure nonsense.

What a tremendous burden their "participation" in this society continues to be.
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Paso Robles, CA
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"what is wrong with the article, specifically, is that it references Quill Corp. v. North Dakota with this note:
Now, in 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in Quill Corp v. North Dakota) that while states could compel mail-order companies (and, by probable inference, internet companies) to collect sales taxes for a state if, but only if, those companies had a physical presence -- bricks-and-mortar facilities -- within that state.

That is not an accurate summation of Quill v ND, which conclusion says

"However, a direct marketer need not be physically present in the state to satisfy the Due Process Clause, and contacts by mail or common carrier are sufficient."

Thus a definition of 'direct marketer' may need to be redefined, since this ruling was from 1992, before the internet really took its present form.

At any rate, I think Amazon is shooting itself in the foot by ceasing to do business with affiliates in states like TX, CA and IL. People in those states may just stop doing business with Amazon. Give it through the fiscal quarter to appear on their spreadsheet (if there is an impact) and see if they decide WTH, we can collect use tax for these states. It'll be interesting to see how inclined they are to stick to their guns after more states follow suit.
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego,CA
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It's getting to be the norm now that anything posted from Rightwingers, the GOP, Conservatives, Neocons, and the Tea Party, is absolutely pure nonsense.

What a tremendous burden their "participation" in this society continues to be.

Ok, enough liberal cheerleading. Im not a conservative, but lets keep on the topic of how this will impact CA's economy.
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Old 07-11-2011, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Ok, enough liberal cheerleading. Im not a conservative, but lets keep on the topic of how this will impact CA's economy.
It won't be pretty that is for sure!
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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highnlite, just want to bring up one point that you refer to a lot, that conservatives live in fear. I have never lived in fear of anything in my life...except maybe flying. All those thing you mentioned, mexicans, mulims and environmentalists, etc, have never even been on my radar. Maybe I'm different? I just see nothing to fear from them or anything else. The world is what it is, and as you said in another post (I'm paraphrasing because I don't know the exact thread) conservatives live in fear and that's a pitiable thing. I agree that it would be, but I don't see it.

Other than that I appreciate your level-headed arguments/statements. Many of the liberals who have decided to confront me get waaaay too emotional, loud and weepy. Easier to have a conversation that way

And I agree, Bud lite sucks
And thanks for the level headed response... A Conservative is a conservative not because they conserve, although they used to. A conservative resists change and often looks back to "a golden age" when life was better,, at least for white men

Sometimes the fear is not cowering under the bed fear, but "we must do something about the problem or [some bad thing will happen]. Sometimes the fear is expressed as hatred of "the other". Hate and racism are expressions of fear, tough to hate what you don't fear.

You can see that conservative pundits and politicians played on and play on fears: of muslims, of terrorists, of illegals, etc.

Here is one metric I have found that is fairly reliable. Guns for home protection. Do you keep weapons handy for home protection? Loaded and ready for use. Many Conservatives do, and they like to discuss their guns and guns they wish they had and guns other people have.

Statistics show that few people ever need a gun for self defense, and more people are killed accidentally by those self protection guns than bad guys are killed by those guns.

Now, we have guns, lots of non conservatives do (now I do not consider myself a liberal, except in comparison to the modern teabagger nutcase conservative, I am much more in line with William F Buckley). Our guns unloaded and securely put away. A good friend of mine is a several time world champion in a facet of shooting, he too is non conservative

Non conservatives pretty much go about their day without undue concern for bad things which could happen. They tend to roll their eyes when conservative friends and acquaintances launch on some diatribe on some favorite conservative whipping boy.

Pay attention to the posts by conservatives, notice the number of them that demonize some "other" That is an expression of fear.

Now, the single thing that just chaps my lips that conservatives do is that they think they are the only true Americans, the only true patriots, That just be wrong.

I actually had a Bud Lite and a Coors Lite the other day, I had never drank one before, I was out with a group doing repair on a National Forest Trail, hot hard work, at the end of the day there was the cooler with ice cold lite beer. So, I drank a couple.... sort of like ginger ale without the sugar. and no detectable alcohol, which must account for the volume of empty cans on OHV trails and roads that hunters use.

But to call it beer is a stretch.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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It won't be pretty that is for sure!
The impact won't even be noticeable for the state economy, most affiliates are just generating a few hundred bucks a year and are often not even claiming it properly. Also, the affiliates have options as well, they can use whatever ad space they were using for Amazon for other things.
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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The impact won't even be noticeable for the state economy, most affiliates are just generating a few hundred bucks a year and are often not even claiming it properly. Also, the affiliates have options as well, they can use whatever ad space they were using for Amazon for other things.
Instead of knee jerk, pie in the sky values.... Here is an excerpt from an article :
Many of about 25,000 affiliates in California, especially larger ones with dozens of employees, are likely to leave the state, said Rebecca Madigan, executive director of trade group Performance Marketing Assn. The affiliates combined paid $152 million in state income taxes last year, she pointed out.

Source link : California Internet Sales Tax | Internet sales tax: Online retailers to start collecting sales taxes in California - Los Angeles Times
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Articles: California's Newest Job-Killer


Already, on the recent ranking of states on the basis of their tax climates done by the Tax Foundation, California is almost at the bottom at #49. On the ranking of states for economic freedom done by the Mercatus Center, it stands at a risible #48.
Well, what did you think would happen when CA sends way more tax revenue to to the federal gov than it receives back.
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Old 07-11-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Paso Robles, CA
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Thank you, highnlite, yeah, that's probably why i'm more moderate. Owned a rifle in Colo, it was fun to shoot, that's about it. Never felt the need for home protection. If someone really wants to get my stuff, they'll get it. Most home break ins are done when the residents aren't home anyway.

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Non conservatives pretty much go about their day without undue concern for bad things which could happen.
My girlfriend calls it 'future tripping'. I tell her to stop, why worry about something that doesn't exist, right? It makes for a much happier life than looking for some ulterior motive, threat or other boogey man who probably doesn't exist.

Since I don't like talk shows, or tv really at all, I don't even know who the pundits are anymore lol.

Funny story for you. My girlfriend and her kids are very conservative. My step-daughter moved to SF for college, now she won't even talk to her mother about politics, calls herself a libertarian. I think it's important to understand all sides of the coin without just jumping to the conclusions a lot of people on both sides of the fence make.

And truth and facts, that's one of the things about the OP's article that irritates me. It's from a blog called 'critical thinker' yet it starts out with misrepresentation of the facts. No matter which side of the political spectrum I may be on, if an article lies so early in the article it loses all credibility, as does the author (not the OP, I don't know him), and probably the magazine/blog/broadcaster. I've never read Critical Thinker, and this one article right out of the gate has put it in the realm of yellow journalism. It wasn't even good for a laugh.
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