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Old 07-09-2011, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The publication clearly has a right wing orientation, however the author of this particular article is a PhD and teaches at a California college.
Sorry, I don't follow, how does having a Ph.d and/or teaching at a college preclude being a political propagandist?
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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Now? California, like other states, has required people to pay sales tax on out-of-state internet purchases since the internet has been around. Its called "use tax"....the problem is that few pay it.
This statement is totally false.

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Anyhow, tax-free internet transactions aren't going to last, within the next few years online businesses will be charging sales tax for anybody that is in a state with sales tax.
Yet another total bs statement ... just your wishful thinking

BTW: Do you pay "use tax" of your California tax returns?
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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This statement is totally false.
It is? Have you ever filled a tax return? There is a line for Use Tax and its been a requirement for ages, in particular before the internet.


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Yet another total bs statement ... just your wishful thinking
Huh? I'm not sure what is "wishful" about it, its just the fact the situation and everyone in the industry is aware of it. The political momentum is building and once they figure out a sane way to implement it online retailers will be collecting sales tax for all states, not just the states they have a nexus in.

I believe around 24 states have agreed to the "Streamlined sales tax" effort and once they all agree the main opposition to it vanishes...

This isn't a California thing though, there are 44 states that collect sales tax and they all would like to receive it for online purchases from their residents as well.
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Old 07-09-2011, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Paso Robles, CA
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This statement is totally false.
actually it's not. California has required its residents to pay sales and use tax (yes, two separate taxes) since 1935, and not just on internet purchases, obviously.


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Yet another total bs statement ... just your wishful thinking
With faltering state budgets across this great country, you can most likely expect other states to follow California's lead on this one.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:59 PM
 
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It is? Have you ever filled a tax return? There is a line for Use Tax and its been a requirement for ages, in particular before the internet.
The "use" tax on California state tax forms is "voluntary" not required.

But feel free to volunteer your money to the state ...

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Huh? I'm not sure what is "wishful" about it, its just the fact the situation and everyone in the industry is aware of it. The political momentum is building and once they figure out a sane way to implement it online retailers will be collecting sales tax for all states, not just the states they have a nexus in.

I believe around 24 states have agreed to the "Streamlined sales tax" effort and once they all agree the main opposition to it vanishes...

This isn't a California thing though, there are 44 states that collect sales tax and they all would like to receive it for online purchases from their residents as well.
There has been many attempts over the years "by liberals" to pass laws to enforce an illegal out-of-state sales or "use" tax and they have all failed for Californians. The tide is turning on liberal tax, tax, tax and spend, spend, spend governments. The people have been over-taxed enough and are starting to fight back.

California government really screwed up with the attempt to force Amazon to collect tax. Now Amazon canceled all the merchant contracts in California and as a result we will see more business leaving and more businesses close shop causing more unemployment at the worst possible time. What A-holes we have as Government leaders. These people, including Brown, should be removed from office.
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Sometimes the wrong decision now,can be the right one down the road.,and sometimes the right decision now,can be the wrong one down the road.

California seems to be the state that takes much greater risks in so many things,while other states keep a close eye on us to see the results then they either follow us or don't.

California will learn from it's mistakes sooner or later,and just because were going through so much problems now,it doesn't mean we've fallen and can't get back up....This state will survive through it all...I'm very optimistic when it comes to California.
When do you think the stupid voters in this state will ever learn anything? How freaking long does it take! What happened to no new taxes unless the voters of California vote for it. I have not heard one person say they voted for this! Jerry Brown is the reason for a lot that is wrong with California today...now you guys voted him back in and he is right back at it. Right back to finish us off! I can't believe there is not a riot going on over this! You guys are so used to getting screwed and you don't even know how to protect yourselves from it!

It is a shame that the only other political opponent was Meg. I have never in my life voted for a Republican but after researching the damage that Brown did to California the last time he was governor...I knew he would repeat it!

Sometimes you have to pick your poison... I voted for the lesser of two evils. Jerry Brown is a con and you guys have not seen anything yet. You just wait to see what this does to the economy!

Democrats in California are ****ing idiots! I am from a blue city in Texas. The Democrats in Houston and actually all across Texas are completely different...the state of Texas was never run into the ground by the Democrats. You guys want to put down Houston and Texas as a whole for standing strong in these crushing economic times....do you know why they are standing strong? The Democrats in Texas are not idiots. They don't allow decisions that would run the state into the ground.

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Old 07-10-2011, 12:23 AM
 
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Now? California, like other states, has required people to pay sales tax on out-of-state internet purchases since the internet has been around. Its called "use tax"....the problem is that few pay it.

Anyhow, tax-free internet transactions aren't going to last, within the next few years online businesses will be charging sales tax for anybody that is in a state with sales tax.


...and where would the "consumer" then choose to buy from?

...another country?

...great, problem solved, eh?
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The "use" tax on California state tax forms is "voluntary" not required.
Umm...no, its no more voluntary than paying income taxes, the only difference is that the state doesn't enforce it.


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There has been many attempts over the years "by liberals" to pass laws to enforce an illegal out-of-state sales or "use" tax and they have all failed for Californians.
You're confused again, the main lobby group for this change is brick and mortar retailers. I have no idea why you are trying to attach this issue to liberalism, it has nothing to do with it.

The issue is simple, all states have a use tax requirement but aren't enforcing it because its rather difficult to enforce. Online retailers would essentially be collecting out-of-state residents use tax for them. It terms of the legal issues, well, all it takes is a few bills in congress.


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California government really screwed up with the attempt to force Amazon to collect tax. Now Amazon canceled all the merchant contracts in California and as a result we will see more business leaving and more businesses close shop causing more unemployment at the worst possible time.
This is wrong as well...Amazon has not canceled "merchant contracts", California merchants that sale on Amazon are already required to charge California residents sales tax. Just like California businesses on eBay have to charge California residents sales tax. Amazon shut-down their California affiliates.

California isn't the first state to do this....
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:27 AM
 
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Articles: California's Newest Job-Killer


Already, on the recent ranking of states on the basis of their tax climates done by the Tax Foundation, California is almost at the bottom at #49. On the ranking of states for economic freedom done by the Mercatus Center, it stands at a risible #48.
We have the power to stop this BS. Remember proposition 13? If we want to, we could totally eliminate the state sales tax.

Anyone interested in getting a petition started?
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Old 07-10-2011, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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...and where would the "consumer" then choose to buy from?
What exactly are you asking? Where are consumers going to purchase products if they are forced to pay sales tax on things they purchase online? Umm....where they shop right now?
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