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Old 07-10-2011, 05:00 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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It always amazes me that some fellow Californians, knowing Californians are among the highest taxed in the nation, knowing that California is ranked one of the worst for business environment, and known for corrupt politicians who are in the pocket of big public unions ... are tickled pink to be proud of all this, welcomes more tax on Californians and tells the sane responsible Californians who question all the corruption and anti-business ... to leave the state. It's no wonder why California is in such terrible shape.
North Dakota tops analysis of corruption - USATODAY.com

California is pretty low on the corruption scale compared to other states. Politicians everywhere are often in the pockets of someone depending on their political bent (and to the detriment of the electorate at large). Unions or large corporations/wealthy, pick your poison.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Seriously? That video doesn't address anything, I mean seriously, you serious?!

I'll ask again, show me the parts of the constitution and bill of rights that say anything about Christianity, they do quote John Locke..... Anyhow, I don't even remember why this topic came up....

Donny-boy, enjoy those tax free Amazon purchase while they last as you'll be paying tax on them soon enough. Its all an evil liberal plot to steal money from you and give it to Hispanics to have more babies.
Interesting how when your confronted with reality and the truth you resort to childish "well than take this" mentality. But typical for a Liberal

I will accept what I hear from David Barton on the subject ... here is his bio.

As far as accepting the propaganda you or highnlife spew out ... take a hike! It's all liberal BS!
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Interesting how when your confronted with reality and the truth you resort to childish "well than take this" mentality. But typical for a Liberal
Sure thing dude, just save your pennies for the extra sales tax, okay?
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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Really? So when they go to the store they are excused from sales tax?

When they buy gas they are excused from gas tax?

They are excused from property tax?

Their unemployment payments are not taxed?

Do Tell.

Really! I will tell...

Did I say they were on unemployment? There are millions of people in this state that are unemployed and not receiving benefits.

If they are living in tent, under a bridge, on the side walk or just free loading...yes they are excused from the property tax.

Most unemployed people are not out there driving around and purchasing a lot of gas.

Now if you want to talk about those receiving UI benefits...do you really believe that people on unemployment are greatly contributing to the tax structure? They don't buy the higher costing goods that working people can afford to purchase. So the little amount that they are buying is not significantly contributing as much as it could if they were working and buying more. Do you know what a lot of welfare recipients in California spend their money on? Yep really contributing to our taxes here in California!

California welfare recipients using welfare money for gambling, cruises, living the high life | IHTM

Also if you are on unemployment and own a house here...at the end of the year when they file their taxes all of it will be refunded to them...nice system you guys have here. So again you should be thankful for anyone who is working and pay all the crazy taxes in this state just to give to the dead beats. The most stupid system I have ever seen...but the one good thing about this system is that it is not sustainable even with higher taxes...eventually it will have to be changed.

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Old 07-10-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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OH geez, living the high life with welfare money? What? Eating?

Welfare is a federally mandated program and California doesn't add much to it, it doesn't provide much money at all.

I really wish you you left your Texan propaganda at the border. Finding some people that abuse a program that helps millions a year hardly demonstrates a fault in the program, there is simply no way to eliminate all abuse from social programs. Also, most welfare programs support kids, not adults. But apparently kids should be picking better parents or something....
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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North Dakota tops analysis of corruption - USATODAY.com

California is pretty low on the corruption scale compared to other states. Politicians everywhere are often in the pockets of someone depending on their political bent (and to the detriment of the electorate at large). Unions or large corporations/wealthy, pick your poison.
Don't believe USA Today. Its a well known left leaning paper. You should have gotten a clue buy looking at that map. It's basically a red/blue map showing most of the corruption in the red states.

Another clue is that it shows Illinois as less corrupt and we all know that's not true.

One other interesting point. The map says "public corruption convictions per 100,000 residence" ... How many people are in North Dakota ... under 700K ... compare that to California ... over 37 million ... Illinois ... over 12 million ... poleeze ... give me a break!
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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Sure thing dude, just save your pennies for the extra sales tax, okay?
Sorry but I don't purchase on-line
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Central Bay Area, CA as of Jan 2010...but still a proud Texan from Houston!
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OH geez, living the high life with welfare money? What? Eating?

Welfare is a federally mandated program and California doesn't add much to it, it doesn't provide much money at all.

I really wish you you left your Texan propaganda at the border. Finding some people that abuse a program that helps millions a year hardly demonstrates a fault in the program, there is simply no way to eliminate all abuse from social programs. Also, most welfare programs support kids, not adults. But apparently kids should be picking better parents or something....
For you and I definitely not but for them it is...they don't have to sit in their rat hole...they get to play at a casino on California tax payers dime...I did not write the article or make up the facts...it is what it is. So you want to divert from the fact that they are spending welfare money in another state...how unfortunate 69 million is a lot of wasted money don't you think? California Welfare | $69 million in California welfare money drawn out of state - Los Angeles Times

Right they are just eating!

State-issued aid cards have been used at hotels, shops, restaurants, ATMs and other places in 49 other states, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam, according to data obtained by The Times from the California Department of Social Services. Las Vegas drew $11.8 million of the cash benefits, far more than any other destination. The money was accessed from January 2007 through May 2010.

I wish you would wake up and check facts before you get out your pom poms.

Secondly this is not Texas propaganda. This is common sense...

No maybe poor uneducated people should stop reproducing and instead use the energy it takes to raise kids and get an education first...and I mean an education that would give them a good career choice for life.
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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John Adams, second President of these here United States, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,"

Here is a little assignment for you, find a Christian among the Founding Fathers.
Here is a little assignment for you, name the person who made this famous quote:

“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.”

The Agenda - Grinding America Down
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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For you and I definitely not but for them it is...they don't have to sit in their rat hole...they get to play at a casino on California tax payers dime...I did not write the article or make up the facts...it is what it is. So you want to divert from the fact that they are spending welfare money in another state...how unfortunate 69 million is a lot of wasted money don't you think?
No, you are just distorting matters in the typical fashion. Firstly, why is it unfortunate that 69 million is being spent out of the state and why does this amount to money being wasted? Most welfare dollars are federally funded so which state its spent in is irrelevant.

In terms of Casinos, that is an undesirable side-effect of moving to an ATM system for state benefits. Still, its a very small fraction of total benefits and its something the state should do something about it. You realize, that this information is coming from the state right?

But this is typical, people point out abuse that amounts to very little of total welfare dollars spent and use it to try to, well I'm not sure, what exactly is your point? Welfare shouldn't exist because a small percentage of folks abuse the system?

I'm not too sure why the article finds it so surprising that welfare money is being spent in Hawaii, etc. People have friends and family and its having a family member pay for a trip isn't all that uncommon. When you're an adult, welfare isn't based on the income of your family members or your friends.


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No maybe poor uneducated people should stop reproducing and instead use the energy it takes to raise kids and get an education first...
Yeah, that's realistic, poor uneducated people are going to stop having sex and instead focus on getting an education, of course this requires that they first understand the value of an education, where to get a good education, etc.

I hope the weather is nice in that Ivory Tower.
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