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Old 07-15-2011, 10:35 AM
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Doesn't it have more to do with the 2/3 requirement to raise income taxes? I don't believe the university system was ever funded by property taxes but instead is out of the general fund.
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior101 View Post
Prop 13 has put California in this position over and over again.
Indeed, which is why I immediately took my UC undergrad/professional degrees to another state after graduation. Prop 13 was a form of generational economic warfare and the only way I could see to fight back was to raise my family elsewhere, which continues to be a spectacularly good decision, perhaps the best I've ever made.

It's really disappointing (but sadly expected) to see California abandon its historical commitment to educational opportunity. It was good while it lasted!
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:18 PM
Location: Up in the air
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Originally Posted by CAVA1990 View Post
Interesting that they've not done the same with the community colleges. It's really cheap to go to one of those, compared to what it would be in other states (here in VA we pay about $300 a credit versus your $20-30?). Seems a good option for many would be to spend the first couple of years at one of those before transfering to a UC. Personally I wouldn't be opposed to making Cal an all upper division university with everyone transferring in in their junior year (with the exception of certain hot football prospects of course). This would give more kids a better education in their particular fields of concentration.
They have, and will continue, to raise community college tuition. It's still relatively inexpensive to attend a community college ($36 a credit, I believe) and I've never understood why people went directly into the UC system (or any other 4 year, for that matter). The majority of my teachers I had at the community college also taught part time at the local University, so it's not like they're pulling people off the streets.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:07 PM
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As a taxpayer, view all colleges, public or private, as taxpayer-subsidized scams "educating", or rather miseducating, millions of generally useless, unskilled kids w/a fancy diploma or "union card", a lot of debt (taxpayer subsidized no less) and limited use to any profit-maximizing private sector employer (as a shareholder, avoid investing in cos. that have bloated, overpaid headcounts full of college-educated morons or overpaid, poor-quality unionized mfg workers)

Thankfully, in era of Net, google, Kindle, etc any smart, hungry kid (and his parents) will have figured out this scam; will self-educate (learn programming, stats, finance, acctg, etc on own from age ~10); perhaps get a CS undergrad degree in 2yrs (not the absurd 4yr plan MOD CUT) at some elite college....and enter workforce or start own business...or, if not adept at engineering or sales/mkg, learn a useful trade/craft and earn >$100K/yr as an oil&gas worker or servicing Mercedes or building Gulfstreams/Boeings or building high-end bespoke houses, etc etc

Those unable to read/learn/think on own are rarely very productive in their career or life, no matter the diploma given...though they may try to blame society or evil politicians or evil unions or evil rich dudes for "unfairness" of life, they avoid reality of own ineptitude and lack of IQ...lots of these entitled college kids (and their remarkably dumb, lazy parents) should look in mirror instead...lots of weak parents passing along weak DNA and weak values...why should an innocent taxpayer pay for mistakes of such irresponsible parents and their predictably weak kids?

Last edited by NewToCA; 07-15-2011 at 09:39 PM.. Reason: you adequately made your point
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:18 AM
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Originally Posted by hsw View Post
why should an innocent taxpayer pay for mistakes of such irresponsible parents and their predictably weak kids?
Because they'll eventually get together to take away all your stuff and throw you in prison. Ever read about the French or Russian revolutions? Those aristocracies thought as little as you seem to about the "great unwashed" and look how they ended up.
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