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Old 07-25-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Perhaps they need to post a sign in Assyrian.

Hormiz David (22), Ninos Yacoub (27), & Ramina Badal (21) were swept over Vernal Fall at Yosemite and are presumed dead - MyDeathSpace.com

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Old 07-25-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Back in the Southland
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I went to Yosemite on Thursday, Vernal Falls was closed off. I wanted to see the falls but because of the 3 people who died I couldn't.

I may post some pictures in the pic thread when I have time. It was beautiful, not a single cloud up above
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Perhaps they need to post a sign in Assyrian.
These folk are Iraqi, they undoubtedly speak and write Arabic. They probably fled post invasion Iraq. Saddam Hussein protected the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Christians. The Americans did not, many Iraq Christians have fled their homeland. They probably came here like so many Americans because of religious persecution.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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After reading the article, I imagine it didn't look at all risky to them, and not knowing the power of rivers, they made a fateful mistake.
When I was in my teens, I dipped a foot into a stream in the Alps and was very surprised to discover that it flung not only my foot, but my whole leg in a downstream direction. It really didn't look like it had that force. Live and learn......just not near the edge of a waterfall.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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That is what I did in the spring of 1969, I dove into the Merced and was ripped downstream faster than I could swim across, I was lucky, no water fall no rapids, I just came out way down stream on the far side.. bit cold too..
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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It doesn't matter where these people are from or how old they were or how much experience they had in nature, none of those things excuses them from responsibility. They weren't up near Emerald Pool, where people ignore the signs more often, and that looks safe when the water level is lower, they were right at the top of the falls: "Ignoring posted signs and repeated warnings, they had climbed over the metal-bar barricade to get in the Merced River about 25 feet from the edge of the falls."

Watch this video:


‪Yosemite.6.11.Vernal Falls.wmv‬‏ - YouTube
This was taken three weeks before they were there, the water levels were close to this when they went into the river. They weren't dropped from the sky onto the granite next to the falls, they had to hike along the Merced River which was raging next to them for a mile and a half, and get soaking wet in the mist section of the trail when you're right next to the falls thundering down. The had plenty of time to see how dangerous the river and waterfall were.

This guy was there 3 days earlier and took several pictures, you can see clearly the barricade and the area where they climbed over: Vernal Fall deaths

This is not very different than if they had climbed over a barricade at a train station and stood next to the train tracks for a picture and got hit by a train.

I think it is very sad that this happened and that these people died, but I do not consider this in any way to be an accident. Their actions were deliberate, calculated and foolish, and they carry full responsibility for causing their own deaths.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: The High Seas
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OK, if they were 25 feet from the edge, that would put them ahead of those trees in the river (gauging roughly, of course). If the river were running like in that video, yes, they were frickin' nuts.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Man, how about the person who jumped the railing to try and help? Terrible.
It's sad but risking your life to save people who did something extremely stupid isn't too smart either.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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They probably fled post invasion Iraq. Saddam Hussein protected the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Christians. The Americans did not, many Iraq Christians have fled their homeland. They probably came here like so many Americans because of religious persecution.
Considering that in the article it said they were first-generation Americans, no.
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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That is why fences are put up
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