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Since the Euro Socialists out do the US in nearly every category that makes life worthwhile, maybe we should actually emulated them, instead of just being accused of emulating them (like that is a bad thing).
You support the muslims right to worship when and where and how they please too, right?
Thomas Jefferson: "“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man”.
John Adams; "America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
"Hello" ... knock, knock, knock ... earth to highhead ... socialism in Europe is a total failure ... read the news! ... there are violent protests breaking out everywhere and the countries are bankrupt ... this is an epic melt-down of the socialism society in total failure ... unfolding before our eyes ...
Muslims in general I don't have an issue with, its the ones that are hell bent on killing everyone that don't accept and follow the Muslim religion that I have issues with. The ones that are actively planning to wipe-out Israel ... the ones that are infeltrading various countries to eventually take control and convert to a Muslim society. Egypt is being taken over by the Muslim brotherhood and we see the same thing happening in Libya.
I don't give a crap what Jefferson said. Over 76% of American citizens identify themselves as Christians. Our country is Christian based ... no matter what your liberal socialist leaders tell you.
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.. They use religion and promise of "freedom" as their banners to dupe even many of those who are most oppressed by their oligarchic ideologies ... humorously, including folks like you. You're not defending freedom, as you believe ... you are being played. These psychopaths couldn't give a rat's arse less about you and your freedom or your future.
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This is the part I find unfortunately true much of the time. They play on people's emotions, religious beliefs, ideals of freedom, etc.. duping them into thinking the far right cares for them. All the while they are lobbying hard for the wealthy and large corporations so that they can have the maximum tax loopholes with mimimal regulation regardless of the health and welfare of their employees or the nation as a whole. Yet people become so blinded by the tie in to their emotions and religous beliefs that they can't see these wolves in sheeps clothing ripping everyone off besides their wealthy constituents. Why else would Warren Buffet pay less tax than his secretary? Is that by accident or by design? He even admits to being coddled by right leaning politicans. Does providing Warren legal tax evasion mechanisms somehow help Joe Plumber? Or does giving corporate shareholders more money magically translate into jobs for the middle class? The far right would have you believe so without question. If making large corporations and the wealthiest American's richer at all costs is the primary means to economic recovery then I think we need to come up with a better plan. Unfortunately well meaning ppl buy into this whole mind game hook, line and sinker.
And yes, of course the liberals have an agenda of their own. And no it is not always in the best interests of all Americans. Neither one will be a simple panacea for all that ails our great nation.
As the article .highnlite's article states - Both parties are rotten. To trust any party, politician or political agenda carte blanche is foolishness. Rather critical thinking is required, along with a healthy does of scepticism, and rationale thought beyond party lines and catch phrases which appeal emotions and fear resulting in knee jerk reactions. For example if a politician appeals to your religion are you then bound to support everything they do without question? I know well meaning ppl who think this way. For example a catholic coworker friend once said, yeah, I believe in protecting the environment and helping the less fortunate. But when it comes to abortion I have to vote for that candidate. So he admits it becomes a one issue vote for him. Likewise for some gays the answer to that one issue (gay marriage/rights/etc) can determine their entire vote regardless of the candidate's economic strategy or other plans for the nation.
Derek
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This is the part I find unfortunately true much of the time. They play on people's emotions, religious beliefs, ideals of freedom, etc.. duping them into thinking the far right cares for them. All the while they are lobbying hard for the wealthy and large corporations so that they can have the maximum tax loopholes with mimimal regulation regardless of the health and welfare of their employees or the nation. Yet people become so blinded by the tie in to their emotions and religous beliefs that they can't see these wolves in sheeps clothing ripping everyone off besides their wealthy constituents. Why else would Warren Buffet pay less tax than his secretary? Is that by accident or by design? He even admits to being coddled by right leaning politicans. Does providing Warren legal tax evasion mechanisms somehow help Joe Plumber? Or does giving corporate shareholders more money magically translate into jobs for the middle class? The far right would have you believe so without question. If making large corporations and the wealthiest American's richer at all costs is the primary strategy to economic recovery then I think we need to come up with a better plan. Unfortunately well meaning ppl buy into this whole mind game hook, line and sinker.
And yes, of course the liberal have an agenda of their own. And no it is not always in the best interests of all Americans. Neither one will be a simple panacea for all that ails our great nation.
As the article .highnlite's article states - Both parties are rotten. To turst any party, politician or political agenda carte blanche is foolishness. Rather critically thinking is required, along with a healthy does of scepticism, and rationale thought beyond party lines and catch phrases which appeal emotions and fear resulting in knee jerk reactions.
Derek
I better refill the punch bowl ... we have some heavy drinkers in here ...
I better refill the punch bowl ... we have some heavy drinkers in here ...
Yeah, Donnie. On both sides. Neither is immune. Both are apt to have blinders. Both are subject to varying degrees of bombast and hubris. Neither is all right (or left ) or all wrong.
Y'all preach as you will, it's doubtful that you'll reach or influence many hearts and minds. But it can be damn entertaining until it becomes repetitive; thus predictable and boring.
If you compare California to a country like Canada or Australia our politics would be right-of-center.
Not our immigration politics!
Both Canada and Australia actually SCREEN their immigrants for criminal records, for education, and for financial stability--asking will these immigrants produce and be good for our country or a hinderance and a burden? Imagine that.....
In fact, it is becoming quite hard to immigrate to either of those countries.
Also, the U.S. is the ONLY western/industrialized country that allows birth-right citizenship (anchor babies). Even super-liberal Canada has stopped it because it was such a financial burden to them and too much of an enticement for illegals. Much of California's huge population increase is directly tied to birth-right citizenship and sloppy uber-liberal immigration politics.
Yeah, Donnie. On both sides. Neither is immune. Both are apt to have blinders. Both are subject to varying degrees of bombast and hubris. Neither is all right (or left ) or all wrong.
Y'all preach as you will, it's doubtful that you'll reach or influence many hearts and minds. But it can be damn entertaining until it becomes repetitive; thus predictable and boring.
Donnie
My posts are ... my posts! If you don't want to read them then don't. I don't think I'm going to convince anyone but I might make them think just a little ... or maybe not.
Not our immigration politics!
Both Canada and Australia actually SCREEN their immigrants for criminal records, for education, and for financial stability--asking will these immigrants produce and be good for our country or a hinderance and a burden? Imagine that.....
In fact, it is becoming quite hard to immigrate to either of those countries.
Also, the U.S. is the ONLY western/industrialized country that allows birth-right citizenship (anchor babies). Even super-liberal Canada has stopped it because it was such a financial burden to them and too much of an enticement for illegals. Much of California's huge population increase is directly tied to birth-right citizenship and sloppy uber-liberal immigration politics.
One has been in place since the late 1800s (birth right citizenship) and the other since the mid 60s. Conservative administrations have had decades to tighten up the southern border (which is the source of most "anchor babies") and have done a worse job at it that many Democratic administrations. They've also had decades to attempt to amend the constitution (14th Amendment) and haven't. Could it be they are either afraid to act or are benefiting from the cheap illegal labor? Yeah, could be.
One has been in place since the late 1800s (birth right citizenship) and the other since the mid 60s. Conservative administrations have had decades to tighten up the southern border (which is the source of most "anchor babies") and have done a worse job at it that many Democratic administrations. They've also had decades to attempt to amend the constitution (14th Amendment) and haven't. Could it be they are either afraid to act or are benefiting from the cheap illegal labor? Yeah, could be.
That, and on the "other side," benefitting from the votes.
One has been in place since the late 1800s (birth right citizenship) and the other since the mid 60s. Conservative administrations have had decades to tighten up the southern border (which is the source of most "anchor babies") and have done a worse job at it that many Democratic administrations. They've also had decades to attempt to amend the constitution (14th Amendment) and haven't. Could it be they are either afraid to act or are benefiting from the cheap illegal labor? Yeah, could be.
Yeah ... those republicans did nothing to stop illegal immigration ... except for the great wall ... and except for the high tech surveillance system that was in the process of installation when Obama canceled the program ... but since no one did anything in the past justifies not doing anything to now ...
This is the part I find unfortunately true much of the time. They play on people's emotions, religious beliefs, ideals of freedom, etc.. duping them into thinking the far right cares for them. All the while they are lobbying hard for the wealthy and large corporations so that they can have the maximum tax loopholes with mimimal regulation regardless of the health and welfare of their employees or the nation. Yet people become so blinded by the tie in to their emotions and religous beliefs that they can't see these wolves in sheeps clothing ripping everyone off besides their wealthy constituents. Why else would Warren Buffet pay less tax than his secretary? Is that by accident or by design? He even admits to being coddled by right leaning politicans. Does providing Warren legal tax evasion mechanisms somehow help Joe Plumber? Or does giving corporate shareholders more money magically translate into jobs for the middle class? The far right would have you believe so without question. If making large corporations and the wealthiest American's richer at all costs is the primary strategy to economic recovery then I think we need to come up with a better plan. Unfortunately well meaning ppl buy into this whole mind game hook, line and sinker.
And yes, of course the liberal have an agenda of their own. And no it is not always in the best interests of all Americans. Neither one will be a simple panacea for all that ails our great nation.
As the article .highnlite's article states - Both parties are rotten. To turst any party, politician or political agenda carte blanche is foolishness. Rather critically thinking is required, along with a healthy does of scepticism, and rationale thought beyond party lines and catch phrases which appeal emotions and fear resulting in knee jerk reactions.
Derek
Sure ... and well written out, Derek ... if I hadn't been so stunned by your outstanding photos of the wilderness, I'd be able to vote my appreciation of your Eisenhower-era Republican reasonableness here with a few rep points ... but the points went to the pictures ... you are a throw-back to the 50's, boss ...
Glad to hear you read the article. When I first posted the link, I wrote that I doubted anyone other than highnlite would bother to read -- despite it being written by a lifetime GOP insider from Capitol Hill who still doesn't particularly like the Democrats. The guy's article has touched a nerve with the media nationally in the past few days ... he is being quoted left and right -- so to speak and featured on some talk shows. No one yet has been able to find any ulterior motive for his statements other than a true patriotic concern for the future of America. (uh, except for Don9 and his conspiracy exploration committees, that is)
I repeat myself as always: man, as a primate, is a social animal ... social animals exist/act for the benefit of the majority ... they do NOT exist to sacrifice the many for the benefit of the few. Politics may be a necessary evil, but whichever policy is to be considered for getting the job done, it should be considered for the benefit of the union we all require to support our collective health. Catering to the oligarchs is just as dangerous, if not more so, than sacrificing too much for the less-productive.
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