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Old 09-13-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Always found this to be idiotic ... It is the year 2011 .. Why in the world in this day and age isn't it possible for a police offer to pull of your license on file (from that cool laptop in their car) if you don't have it on you ? The DMV has a photo of you and your license info so why can't a cop pull it up?

As for illegals, listen .. there are simple ways to catch them, simple ways to make sure they aren't employed, attend our schools, use our public resources, have a place to stay. The federal govt. turns its head.. Many states turn it even more (i.e - California) . People with bleeding hearts usually have low blood flow to their brains and pretty much accept any idiotic policy their governments set forth for them.

And that is basically the summary of it all.
This bill is stupid :
#1 - police offers should be able to pull up your digital record on file from their vehicles and that should be proof enough
#2 - If they can't find your record via #1, you should be hauled off until you are identified .. and immigration status verified. It's called security for society....
If it is found that the person is illegal, the owner of the car should be punished too to some extent (in which case car confiscation sounds great) ... Maybe next time, you will ask your 'friend' for identification (drivers license) before letting them man a 2-3 ton vehicle that could kill or injure someone.

I don't really care for any arguments about illegals and their needs to drive cars. They shouldn't be here in the first place. Any discussion beyond that is mute.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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1. Don't take the driver to jail if that is the only offense. Issue a citation only. Exceptions should be made for people who repeatedly drive without a license.

2. Vehicle remains parked if in an appropriate area, towed if not.

Anything else is going too far IMHO.
You do realize that this creates two sets of laws in our Society. The reason LE don't mess with illegals is because they will not have id on them, won't be in our database and when stopped simply LIE. It's a complete waste of time to issue a citation as they will lie about who they are, where they live and sure as @#%$ won't be paying the fine or showing up in court.

That's the biggest reason PD needs to be involved with immigration otherwise we have a completely different, more lenient set of laws for illegals.
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Old 09-13-2011, 01:45 PM
 
Location: A bit further north than before
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Are we reading the same article????



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Under the bill, police would have to make a reasonable effort to find either the registered owner of the unlicensed driver's car, or a licensed driver authorized by the registered owner to pick up the car at the checkpoint.

If officers cannot find the registered owner or an authorized licensed driver, they could impound the car. The unlicensed driver could be cited but not arrested.

"We're not condoning driving without a license," said Dan Savage, Cedillo's chief of staff. "But we have to abide by the law, which is the law preventing illegal search and seizures."

He pointed out that some cities, San Francisco included, already follow such procedures.

Savage cited media reports that found some local governments profiting from the impounding of cars at DUI checkpoints, getting a cut of towing and storage fees.
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Old 09-13-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Are we reading the same article????
From the article

Supporters say the bill, AB353, would impose a consistent policy statewide - some agencies confiscate unlicensed drivers' cars now, and some do not - while keeping DUI checkpoints from being turned into traps for otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants who cannot obtain licenses.

"In most parts of California, you basically have to have a car," said Mark Silverman, director of immigration policy at the Immigrant Legal Resource Center. "You have to be able to drive to survive, to get anywhere.


This last part is a lie. They can take public transportation or ride a bike. There is no "survival" because of a car. I know plenty of people that don't have cars yet somehow they are able to "survive".


If this is passed more illegals will choose to drive than ever.
Plus, as it sits now the licensed owner of the car OR a licensed driver can drive the car away OR get the car out of impound. At least that's how I'm reading it for Escondido.

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Old 09-13-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Supporters say the bill, AB353, would impose a consistent policy statewide - some agencies confiscate unlicensed drivers' cars now, and some do not - while keeping DUI checkpoints from being turned into traps for otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants who cannot obtain licenses.
From the SF Chronicle:

"Unlicensed drivers can be the worst drivers. The AAA Foundation for Public Safety found that 29 percent of fatal car crashes in California involved a driver without a valid license. Cedillo spokesman Conrado Terrazas told me the AB353 is needed because unlicensed drivers "have to get to work." That's an argument that drives me up the wall - that Sacramento should change state law to accommodate adults who violate federal immigration law, then knowingly break California driver's license law, so that they can drive (not take the bus) to jobs possibly obtained by document fraud."

Gov. Jerry Brown and 3 telling bills
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Old 09-13-2011, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Mexifornia
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The california government already provides illegals a mean to get to work.
2 counties latest to offer van rides for farmworkers - Los Angeles Times
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Old 09-13-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Driving is a privilege, not a right. HelloooOOOooo......
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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We have this thing called public transportation, or a bus.
Touché. Excellent rebuttal.

+1

Im still not swayed but this point shoots a huge hole in my argument. LOL.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:16 PM
 
Location: A bit further north than before
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Driving is a privilege, not a right. HelloooOOOooo......
Well duh.

The question under consideration is ..... does driving without a licence merit going to jail and having your car impounded, or does it merit a citation and having the car released to an authorized person.
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Old 09-13-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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Well duh.

The question under consideration is ..... does driving without a licence merit going to jail and having your car impounded, or does it merit a citation and having the car released to an authorized person.
By judging on my previous comment on the matter, what do you think my answer will be?
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