Why is the Central Valley have alot of poverty and why is agriculture the primary industry? (San Diego: college, camp)

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

That doesn't happen. Illegals are paid just like legals, from minimum wage on up. They have with holdings just like everyone else.

The employers of Ag workers do not know who is legal and who is illegal. They all walk in the door with the same paperwork.

Bingo

[TimC2462]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Kind of like the hospitality industry.

Sure Juantia your hired even though you cant speak a word of English. Of course I believe your SS and I-551 is real.

Is that an assumption?

[.highnlite]

If you walk in the door with your paper work, your employer cannot know if your paperwork is legal or not, you could be one of those illegal Canadians looking for work in America.

Your employer assumes your paperwork is in order, just like with everyone else.

[TimC2462]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

If you walk in the door with your paper work, your employer cannot know if your paperwork is legal or not, you could be one of those illegal Canadians looking for work in America.

Your employer assumes your paperwork is in order, just like with everyone else.

True. The best employers can do is make sure all the paperwork is appropriately filled out. Even participating in E-verify, there is no sure way to prevent hiring an illegal immigrant. However, taking these steps above does increase the chances of hiring legal immigrants.

[Gemdiver]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Kind of like the hospitality industry.

Sure Juantia your hired even though you cant speak a word of English. Of course I believe your SS and I-551 is real.

Do you know what's sad about that? If you question their residency status, you may be labeled a racist for even bringing that up.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by TimC2462

True. The best employers can do is make sure all the paperwork is appropriately filled out. Even participating in E-verify, there is no sure way to prevent hiring an illegal immigrant. However, taking these steps above does increase the chances of hiring legal immigrants.

Lets get back to the Central Valley and Agriculture. There are not enough legal citizens who will work in the fields.

Like it or not, the 40 billion dollar California Ag industry is utterly dependent on illegal labor.


Since Ag business can easily go through a thousand employees a year, they cannot afford the time to go verify how ever that would be done. If they did, they would go belly up, both from the manpower and money used to verify, and from the ensuing lack of workers.

One may dislike illegals, one may dislike illegal immigration, one may dislike illegals working, but, that does not change the fact that without illegal labor the 40 billion dollar industry would collapse, and the ripple effect to the economy would reach into the hundreds of billions.

Those who think we should just pack up the illegals and send them back to Mexico are not thinking rationally.

[the city]

Above posters, you have answered why the geography is good for farming and why the federal government decided to create labor farming camps out there back in the day. But you MISS out on some big factors as mentioned below:

First: I'm sure not all of the San Joaquin places chose to be what they are. In fact, it was the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that made the choice by creating labor farming camps in the 50s and 60s.

Second: Sprawl had created affordable housing for workers which drew people who couldnt get good jobs near the coast to San Joaquin Valley. And sprawl creates traffic, smog, and takes away character which leads to an undesirable place.

Third: Undocumented workers come here for jobs and the employers don't worry about getting them documented. Paying taxes is important, and not paying them means we are wasting money on giving them services. And coming here with no job is bad too.

Fourth: To curve unemployment, the government built prisons in the San Joaquin Valley and also one in the Antelope Valley. And also the released inmates return to society usually in the San Joaquin Valley.

Fifth: The oil mining places do not get the profit, but instead the money goes to corporations based in wealthy parts of major cities.

Sixth: The combination of all four above and wealthy desiring to live in cool climates or places with beautiful geography leads the Central Valley to be very poor.

To summarize the above, farming places create poverty. And a place being a city/town or community.

DISCLAIMER: All information posted above belongs to me, and for my information to be redistributed, my consent is needed.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by the city

First: I'm sure not all of the San Joaquin places chose to be what they are. In fact, it was the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that made the choice by creating labor farming camps in the 50s and 60s.

Well, no, the farm labor camps were built in the 30's for white folk, you might pick up a copy of Grapes of Wrath My Grandmother inlaw was a Federal Public Health Nurse in those camps, in the 30's, the Mezzcans are johny come latelys.





Third: Undocumented workers come here for jobs and the employers don't worry about getting them documented. Paying taxes is important, and not paying them means we are wasting money on giving them services. And coming here with no job is bad too.

Jesus H. Christ, would you pay attention, it is not your employers job to get you documented. The illegals have the same withholding as legals, the difference is that they get nothing back. They pay into the system, just like you, so tell me where the wasting takes place, be factual, not belief driven. Coming here with no job is bad too" is just plain silly, the illegals support a 40 billion dollar industry, without them Santa Maria, and Salinas and most towns in the valley would be boarded up ghost towns.

Fourth: To curve unemployment, the government built prisons in the San Joaquin Valley and also one in the Antelope Valley. And also the released inmates return to society usually in the San Joaquin Valley.

Prisons curve unemployment?

Fifth: The oil mining places do not get the profit, but instead the money goes to corporations based in wealthy parts of major cities.

Each worker gets a check, they spend that check, that supports the town they live in. Look at all the new building in Taft and Coalinga, Bakersfield is an oil town and is booming.

Sixth: The combination of all four above and wealthy desiring to live in cool climates or places with beautiful geography leads the Central Valley to be very poor.

There is poverty in the Valley, but, the valley holds great wealth and many very wealthy people, including the welfare farmers, no, not the illegals, the farm owners who get socialized water, paid for by the rest of us taxpayers

To summarize the above, farming places create poverty. And a place being a city/town or community.

That is a crock, farming creates wealth, great wealth, in CA, directly, $40,000,000 indirectly, hundreds of billions of dollars.

DISCLAIMER: All information posted above belongs to me, and for my information to be redistributed, my consent is needed.

No it doesn't and isn't, and who would redistribute false data aside from Republicans anyway?

Stick to dreaming of Chain Store Malls.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by TimC2462

Many reasons. But if everyone was willing to pay more for the food they eat, there wouldn't be so much poverty. Big Ag hiring illegal immigrants and pay under the minimum wage also need to be cracked down.

Good point. People complain about poverty and subsidizing illegal immigrants, and rightly so, IMO. But at the same time, we have to be willing to pay more for our food if we want Americans to do hard farm labor.

[the city]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Stick to dreaming of Chain Store Malls.

First, I don't dream of chain store malls. SLO is getting Macy's. So I don't need to dream of the number one mall department store coming here because it already is happening.

Second, speechless because you strongly disagree or you cant handle the truth.

Third, I'm now a democrat. A Christian democrat. All though, I'm sure you might not approve of the things I vote for that are liberal.