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Old 10-13-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Originally Posted by yeahthatguy
The conditions for the workers isn't good ... One anecdotal farm across from you doesn't represent the larger picture which is that conditions aren't good.. they are 'better' than their home country ... and that 'better' is still horrible by American standards ..
More nonsense, the illegal farm workers live in homes or apartments, they watch soccer on their days off, they play in soccer leagues. They barbecue at the drop of a hat, they got cable TV, they got cars, most of them.

Hard to think of any particular "thing" you have that you need that they don't have.

This idea that they are migrant workers living in some 'ellhole of a labor camp is just not accurate.

 
Old 10-13-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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As for the farmer's perspective .. i.e - highnlite .. I get it .. you dont want to give up your slave labor that ensures your prosperity.. We get that.. you'll make it sound like they are treated like kings in order to defend the thing that brings you income..
Do you read stuff and then decide it says what you want it to say? Are you completely ignorant of market conditions? Let's play your game. Farmer A. Jose Estrada, decides from reading what you wrote that he needs to up his pay scale. Well, it won't work because Farmer A. Jose Estrada does not hire anyone, they come from a labor contractor. But heck, let us say that the Labor Contractor, Pedro Padilla decides that he is going to up his wages, so he tells Jose Estrada that a crew of 100 for a week will cost him 50% more than last week, and 50% more than what every other farmer in the valley is paying.. Oh Duh......

You may be a socialist, but most farmers are capitalists, they realize that the market sets wages.

You are advocating government intervention, ie socialism, or a cartel of farmers to fix prices.

Oh Duh..
 
Old 10-13-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Nah you must be nuts if you expect me to believe that nonsense ...
... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
$25 an hour .. LMFAO .. you have a special mind.. a very creative one
Just admit that you don't know what you are talking about, heck, lettuce harvesters, like our high school wrestling team, and our high school football team were bringing in $25 an hour through piece work....... in the 1960's.

I imagine you have always been a wage slave and not quite willing to admit that in piecework your "wage" is up to you, hustle or not.

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Namely to call b.s to the claim that people make around $25 an hour.. No, they are lucky if they make between $8-10.50 an hour... As identified by my information dump ..
So, bright guy, you ignore the information from the experienced farmer in favor of an "information dump"

Brings me back to my postulation that you are in high school, a gifted program probably, but no experience in the real world.

A teenagers knowledge is often a mile wide and an inch deep.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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My wife and I took a hot air balloon ride that took us inland many miles over a combination of groves and fields and I couldn't believe how many migrant workers were living in makeshift camps in the Canyons next to the fields. Literally hundreds of camps.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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My wife and I took a hot air balloon ride that took us inland many miles over a combination of groves and fields and I couldn't believe how many migrant workers were living in makeshift camps in the Canyons next to the fields. Literally hundreds of camps.
What you are describing are very short-term accommodations for individual field harvests ... that is not where and how most of these folks live ... they have a home base, as highnlite describes ... they rotate to out-locations when the time is right to hit a particular harvest ... often times those locations are not too far from home base but it makes more sense to camp rather than commute ... they work their b*lls off, and then get them back home to their bbq's and soccer games.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 12:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What you are describing are very short-term accommodations for individual field harvests ... that is not where and how most of these folks live ... they have a home base, as highnlite describes ... they rotate to out-locations when the time is right to hit a particular harvest ... often times those locations are not too far from home base but it makes more sense to camp rather than commute ... they work their b*lls off, and then get them back home to their bbq's and soccer games.
Beg to differ. This has been a problem in the area for years. Google mcgonigle canyon.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 01:11 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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My wife and I took a hot air balloon ride that took us inland many miles over a combination of groves and fields and I couldn't believe how many migrant workers were living in makeshift camps in the Canyons next to the fields. Literally hundreds of camps.
I have not seen anything like that since the 1960s and 70s when the good Republican growers built camps in the canyons to feed and house the illegal workers. When I worked in the fields as a teenager we often ate lunch with the workers, chili and tortillas..

The McGonigical Canyonare not farm worker camps, based on the aerial photos there does not appear to be any farms in the area.

I can tell you, that farm workers do not live in migrant camps in our area.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 01:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I have not seen anything like that since the 1960s and 70s when the good Republican growers built camps in the canyons to feed and house the illegal workers. When I worked in the fields as a teenager we often ate lunch with the workers, chili and tortillas..

The McGonigical Canyonare not farm worker camps, based on the aerial photos there does not appear to be any farms in the area.

I can tell you, that farm workers do not live in migrant camps in our area.
As well it should be. These farms should provide some type of housing, toilets etc.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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As well it should be. These farms should provide some type of housing, toilets etc.
1. Field workers do not work for the farmer/grower. Why would you expect them to build houses for them?
2. Does your company provide you with housing?
3. Toilets and hand washing stations are required by law, the sanitary regulations are very strict. If a CA Dept of Agriculture inspector comes to your field and finds something as simple as a busted screen on the porta potti, that is an $800 fine.
 
Old 10-13-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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In the worst economic times, with pending major budget cuts, Brown passes the Dream Act ...

California Dream Act Signed By Jerry Brown: Second Bill Passes

On Saturday, Governor Jerry Brown signed AB 131, the second bill of the two-part California Dream Act, allowing undocumented immigrant students to apply for state-funded financial aid for college.
This could be undone with a ballot measure. Is there an attorney in the house?
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