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Old 10-25-2011, 01:11 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Actually it usually is the opposite. Black kids usually have the bad home enviornment, Mom on crack and or welfare, dad dead or locked up, siblings all troubled, etc.

In many of these hispanic families these people own their houses ,have nuclear families ,the dad works-some times the mom too, they are devout catholics and often times other siblings will be successful in things like school, sports, work, etc. A lot of the latino gangmembers come from households that other demographics could only dream of, but they throw it all away.
Such a great point.

WHY? is what I want to know. What compells kids who know darn well that their parents love them, are there for them, work their butts off to support them, many times taking several jobs so they can have something to eat, many going to extraordinary lenghts to be in this country....and they throw all of that away.

Im not gonna pretend that this is exclusive to Hispanics though, cause I see a lot of this in my own Polynesian community-sometimes I feel like pulling my hair out when I find out about some stupid poly kid is in jail and I know for a fact that his home life was solid. Or was it?

Mom and Dad might be in the house, but are they paying attention?

That's where I think it begins.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:58 PM
 
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I'm loving the Lord Tennyson angle, but is there otherwise a point to why this thread was begun?
Lol, this ^^^^^^^
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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Really people need to educate them selfs and stop stereo typing people. . Its not the city is bad is how people raise their kids. .
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:31 AM
 
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Actually it usually is the opposite. Black kids usually have the bad home enviornment, Mom on crack and or welfare, dad dead or locked up, siblings all troubled, etc.

In many of these hispanic families these people own their houses ,have nuclear families ,the dad works-some times the mom too, they are devout catholics and often times other siblings will be successful in things like school, sports, work, etc. A lot of the latino gangmembers come from households that other demographics could only dream of, but they throw it all away.

You see it all the time in lower middle class bay area locales. Hayward, Antioch, Tracy, Fairfield, Gilroy, old part of livermore, san leandro, San Pablo, union city, etc.
The minority of hispanic families where there is a father and the parents work and they take the kids to church, keep the kids in school, help them with their homework generally do not have kids that join gangs.

The hispanic illegitimacy rate is something like 68%, most are born to "single homemakers" on their welfare application forms, the kids just do what they learn from uncles and cousins, and that is to become involved with gangs. Devout "catholic" only means they pray to Santa Muerte and San Jesus Malverde.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I'm loving the Lord Tennyson angle, but is there otherwise a point to why this thread was begun?

Someone had blundered:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.


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Old 01-08-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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Actually it usually is the opposite. Black kids usually have the bad home enviornment, Mom on crack and or welfare, dad dead or locked up, siblings all troubled, etc.

In many of these hispanic families these people own their houses ,have nuclear families ,the dad works-some times the mom too, they are devout catholics and often times other siblings will be successful in things like school, sports, work, etc. A lot of the latino gangmembers come from households that other demographics could only dream of, but they throw it all away.

You see it all the time in lower middle class bay area locales. Hayward, Antioch, Tracy, Fairfield, Gilroy, old part of livermore, san leandro, San Pablo, union city, etc.
I somewhat disagree with this. I agree that some of the more well-off young Latinos in the suburbs may adopt the gang-banging lifestyle voluntarily. But as far as Latinos in the urban Bay Area in San Francisco and Oakland and even some of the 'burbs, it looks better from the outside looking in perhaps. Although Latino families in the Bay may not be as ravaged by hard drug abuse and broken homes as Blacks (although that is highly debatable), Latino youth who join gangs in the Bay are often neglected latch-key kids. That is, they often do have both of their parents, but their parents often work multiple low-paid jobs day and night seven days a week just to pay for sky high rents and utilities in gentrifying neighborhoods like SF's Mission district or higher priced "safer" suburban locales. The end result is that you have a huge number of kids who are basically raising themselves because their parents are working all the time. It doesn't help that a well-established decades old gang culture exists right outside of their bedroom windows. There is an enormous generation gap between many first generation Mexican American children and their immigrant parents. The children often feel no real social or cultural connection to their parents or their heritage. This is easily recognizable in the fact that modern-day Nortenos are known to emulate Black urban street slang (including excessive use of the n-bomb), style of dress etc. Many Nortenos cannot speak any Spanish. Surenos, who actually grew up around Chicano culture in L.A. or Mexico, look at the American-born Nortenos as being sell-outs and rejecting their parents or grandparents natural cultural heritage.

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Old 01-15-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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The minority of hispanic families where there is a father and the parents work and they take the kids to church, keep the kids in school, help them with their homework generally do not have kids that join gangs.

The hispanic illegitimacy rate is something like 68%, most are born to "single homemakers" on their welfare application forms, the kids just do what they learn from uncles and cousins, and that is to become involved with gangs. Devout "catholic" only means they pray to Santa Muerte and San Jesus Malverde.
Part of it is, they have no real hope of advancing, in their view. They see the world around them and they feel left out. They come together for a feeling of fellowship and to be among others who feel disenfranchised. They share their anger. For those who get the schooling and become a part of society, rather than being kept within a poor cultural environment, the future looks much better. This is part of the problem with those born into "Lower" class families, legal or illegal, and not limited to Hispanics. By being "segregated" by their families, culture and neighborhoods and seeing only lower class jobs open for them, they feel angry. Some join gangs that are not really violent or criminal, but unfortunately too many join or are force to join the bad ones and become worse themselves. It is sad and a growing problem with no real solution.
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Old 01-17-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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So now that it's about 4.5 years later, how does OP's gang list look now? Have some of those gangs disappeared, members grown up and moved on, shortage of new recruits? Are there new gangs to add to the list or to replace some of those names?
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