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Old 11-01-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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Just came back from a trip to Toronto .. Nice place.. lots of diversity ..
Crazy amounts of construction.... Those guys are heading into a property bubble... Like the fact that they have a point system for immigration and don't allow any old idiots in their country ....


Since 1970, America's largest source of immigrants has been Latin America, especially Mexico. More than half of these Latino immigrants lack a high school diploma.

Compare the U.S. experience with Canada's. More than half of all immigrants to Canada possess a university degree. Half of all Canada's Ph.D.s are foreign-born.

Why does America choose poorly educated immigrants? The short answer: America does not choose them. They choose themselves.

"In the last decade, half of all the immigrants to the United States arrived illegally. Even many of the legal arrivals gained entry courtesy of relatives who originally slipped into the country against the law, then somehow regularized themselves.

By contrast, Canada (a country of 1/10 the U.S. population that takes proportionately many more immigrants than the United States) allows almost no illegal immigration.

The result: While immigration has enhanced the average skill level of the Canadian population, it has detracted from the average skill level of the U.S. population."

Amazing .. You can tell the difference in quality in just a day of moving around.
The US has a long border with Mexico and Canada does not. Therefore, Canada does not get millions of poor illegal immigrants from Latin America like the US does.

 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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The US has a long border with Mexico and Canada does not. Therefore, Canada does not get millions of poor illegal immigrants from Latin America like the US does.
Give it a rest.. Canada has common sense ways that even a 2 year old could come up with to prevent illegals from getting jobs and getting benefits in their country... The U.S doesn't...and, in fact our government sues states that try to make common sense laws to prevent illegals from spilling over...

Aside from the 'illegal' problem.. America does not 'pick' its 'legal' immigrants in the qualitative way that Canada does...

That is a 2nd problem

You obviously have no depth of understanding of the immigration and immigration enforcement between Canada and the U.S and thus are making a knee jerk comment about a border.. when you get a chance.. Pull up a map and take note of the huge border between Canada and the U.S. There are lots of poor arses in America too .. Kind of hard to make a case to illegaly immigrate to a country where you can't get a job/benefits because they actually enforce immigration laws.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:28 PM
 
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Bringing Canada into a comparison with the U.S. with regard to job-availability and immigration is not comparative. The jobs / opportunities that illegals take in the U.S. almost do not exist in Canada ... if they did, and if Canada had a border with Latin America, and if Canadian business could benefit from the labor -- it would occur. Anonymity is also much harder to pull off in such a small population country as Canada. Pure survival is also a huge factor. Except for SW B.C., winter is a different cat than the southern U.S. Getting by in Canada is to be well prepared for very harsh conditions.

Canada is a very intelligently run country ... one of the very finest in the world, imo ... they do have good immigration policies and they are run with care. That said, the country is simply not positioned, nor that attractive, for the same problems as the U.S. ... and, with such a much smaller population and infrastructure -- plus the tremendous natural resources it has that gift it with being a net exporter of all it uses within the abilities of its existing labor force ... well, it's not even apples to oranges different in situation.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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Canada is a very intelligently run country ... one of the very finest in the world, imo ... they do have good immigration policies and they are run with care. That said, the country is simply not positioned, nor that attractive, for the same problems as the U.S. ... and, with such a much smaller population and infrastructure -- plus the tremendous natural resources it has that gift it with being a net exporter of all it uses within the abilities of its existing labor force ... well, it's not even apples to oranges different in situation.
Now, now. Let's be at least a LITTLE fair and balanced (kinda like Fox News, right? ) here, eh.

Canada had no problem welcoming tens of thousands of American criminals into their country at one time. Back then they were called draft dodgers and deserters. Some are still there. I have no love for the "Frozen North" to this day.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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Bringing Canada into a comparison with the U.S. with regard to job-availability and immigration is not comparative. The jobs / opportunities that illegals take in the U.S. almost do not exist in Canada ... if they did, and if Canada had a border with Latin America, and if Canadian business could benefit from the labor -- it would occur. Anonymity is also much harder to pull off in such a small population country as Canada. Pure survival is also a huge factor. Except for SW B.C., winter is a different cat than the southern U.S. Getting by in Canada is to be well prepared for very harsh conditions.

Canada is a very intelligently run country ... one of the very finest in the world, imo ... they do have good immigration policies and they are run with care. That said, the country is simply not positioned, nor that attractive, for the same problems as the U.S. ... and, with such a much smaller population and infrastructure -- plus the tremendous natural resources it has that gift it with being a net exporter of all it uses within the abilities of its existing labor force ... well, it's not even apples to oranges different in situation.
Canada refused to deregulate its banking system for the benefit of the bankers themselves, despite considerable pressure and sentiment in the media for it to do so. Canada only barely got involved in bailouts and then only at the request of the US government. Canada's economy is in far better shape than America's, and Canada was rated by the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute (neither of whom are liberal) as being more free-market capitalist than the USA.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Now, now. Let's be at least a LITTLE fair and balanced (kinda like Fox News, right? ) here, eh.

Canada had no problem welcoming tens of thousands of American criminals into their country at one time. Back then they were called draft dodgers and deserters. Some are still there. I have no love for the "Frozen North" to this day.
Canada viewed those draft dodgers as political dissidents ... as do I, a veteran of that war. Forcible impressment of citizens to fight an immoral war was the crime. I obviously know lots of draftees who stepped up to the call and served, and I credit them greatly for that. But I do not condemn those who also stood up against that war.

Regardless, that has nothing to do with the lack of comparison for immigration issues based on policy and opportunity.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Canada refused to deregulate its banking system for the benefit of the bankers themselves, despite considerable pressure and sentiment in the media for it to do so. Canada only barely got involved in bailouts and then only at the request of the US government. Canada's economy is in far better shape than America's, and Canada was rated by the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute (neither of whom are liberal) as being more free-market capitalist than the USA.
Yes ... so now I have to reveal my true sentiments I love everything about Canada, except the weather. I have had a great time poking fun at the country and its people on this forum in the past ... I use it as a sarcastic foil when people start their rants about the dangerous Mexicans. But, truth is Canada rules (!) (except for the weather -- can't say that enough.)
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Bringing Canada into a comparison with the U.S. with regard to job-availability and immigration is not comparative. The jobs / opportunities that illegals take in the U.S. almost do not exist in Canada ... if they did, and if Canada had a border with Latin America, and if Canadian business could benefit from the labor -- it would occur. Anonymity is also much harder to pull off in such a small population country as Canada. Pure survival is also a huge factor. Except for SW B.C., winter is a different cat than the southern U.S. Getting by in Canada is to be well prepared for very harsh conditions.

Canada is a very intelligently run country ... one of the very finest in the world, imo ... they do have good immigration policies and they are run with care. That said, the country is simply not positioned, nor that attractive, for the same problems as the U.S. ... and, with such a much smaller population and infrastructure -- plus the tremendous natural resources it has that gift it with being a net exporter of all it uses within the abilities of its existing labor force ... well, it's not even apples to oranges different in situation.
I wasn't aware that smart immigration laws and enforcement were soo hard...
Garbage in = Garbage out.. it's obvious what kinda we've got going on in the U.S.
News Flash : US government sues another state for enacting laws that enforce immigration laws it should be .. Keep the trucks coming !
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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Canada viewed those draft dodgers as political dissidents ... as do I, a veteran of that war. Forcible impressment of citizens to fight an immoral war was the crime. I obviously know lots of draftees who stepped up to the call and served, and I credit them greatly for that. But I do not condemn those who also stood up against that war.

Regardless, that has nothing to do with the lack of comparison for immigration issues based on policy and opportunity.
Actually, the acceptance of draft dodgers by Canada during the Vietnam War made a major impact on California and its culture. Half of all the draft dodgers were Californian (way beyond the percentage of CA residents in the military), and almost half of all of the draft dodgers went to British Columbia.

The draft caused many young men to leave the state and country who otherwise could have left a larger stamp on the state. And the loss of those young men in the state's labor force may have set off a chain of events which increased illegal immigration, although there is no more than anecdotal evidence for this theory and it probably cannot be proved.

Just think of those men were still here. California's and the US' loss was Canada's gain. Vancouver went from being a backwater provincial city to one of the most important cities in the western part of North America as a result.
 
Old 11-01-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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I wasn't aware that smart immigration laws and enforcement were soo hard...
Garbage in = Garbage out.. it's obvious what kinda we've got going on in the U.S.
News Flash : US government sues another state for enacting laws that enforce immigration laws it should be .. Keep the trucks coming !
Didn't say they were hard ... they're not terribly hard ... difficulty is not the reason they don't exist / work in the U.S.
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