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Old 11-21-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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To all those posters calling the protesting students "brats":

I wonder what you would have called the citizens who dumped the tea in Boston's harbor- back in the day- and torched the British ships in RI's port? (These students were protesting very peacefully in comparison).
The Conservatives of the 1770's were known as Loyalists, they supported the British Government against the "scumbag anarchists" like Sam Adams.

The Conservatives of the 1780's opposed the Federal Constitution in favor of continuing the Articles of Confederation.

 
Old 11-21-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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So how should the police have gone about arresting them? Their arms were interlinked, because the protesters knew they were breaking the law, and would ultimately be arrested.

I'm just curious what the alternative is, since you have stated physical force isn't acceptable to effect an arrest in this circumstance - since you seem to have the answer...


So break them apart using reasonable force and then arrest them. Simple as that.

But the campus police had to go beyond in attacking these non-violent protesters by pepper spraying in their face, even forcing it down their throat after they tried to keep their eyes and mouth shut.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Police State
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So let me get this straight, a group of students were protesting, were then found to be illegally trespassing, then were ordered to disperse by the police, the students respond by surrounding the officers and refused to let them out, and somehow it's controversial that a few of them got hit with pepper spray? I find it laughably disingenuous that people are making this out to be something it isn't. Civil disobedience, is still disobedience. You aren't free from the consequences of your actions just because you feel like the ends justify the means.

When the police order you to disperse, you might want to listen, just sayin'.

A Kent State moment, this ain't. I'm siding with the police on this one.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Police State
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"To protect and serve" is a good motto to have. I don't know if it's just LAPD's, but it should be one criterion reflected upon before resorting to pepper spray on a bunch of folks sitting on a sidewalk.
Yeah, beating the **** out of them with their nightsticks would have been far more humane.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The High Seas
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Yeah, beating the **** out of them with their nightsticks would have been far more humane.
They were sitting on a sidewalk. Did you see the video?
 
Old 11-21-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: yeah
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So let me get this straight, a group of students were protesting, were then found to be illegally trespassing, then were ordered to disperse by the police, the students respond by surrounding the officers and refused to let them out, and somehow it's controversial that a few of them got hit with pepper spray? I find it laughably disingenuous that people are making this out to be something it isn't. Civil disobedience, is still disobedience. You aren't free from the consequences of your actions just because you feel like the ends justify the means.

When the police order you to disperse, you might want to listen, just sayin'.

A Kent State moment, this ain't. I'm siding with the police on this one.
Hahaha, this keeps getting played up as justification for the incident, as if officers in riot gear are unable to escape a circle of people holding hands whilst sitting on the ground. Ridiculous spin.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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the students respond by surrounding the officers and refused to let them out
Watch the video, the students that were pepper sprayed were sitting, in a line, not a circle, the police were under no threat, as they proved by walking out under the moral force of nonviolent students.

Anyone who thinks the police were under some sort of threat did not see the video. The officer who sprayed the students left the group of police, stood isolated, and without any hindrance from the students, sprayed them. That is clear.

Non violent civil disobedience. Like Gandhi, his moral force forced the English to quit India.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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These cops make Barney Fife look good.
 
Old 11-21-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: yeah
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Officer Fatpig sprayed those kids like he was watering flowers.


FLOWERS THAT WERE ABOUT TO KILL HIM
 
Old 11-21-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Police State
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Non violent civil disobedience. Like Gandhi, his moral force forced the English to quit India.
No, England quit India because it was more trouble than it was worth.
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