Is there any chance that San Diego County could be added to the Los Angeles CSA in the near future? (Escondido: houses)

[gwillyfromphilly]

Does anyone see San Diego County being added to the Los Angeles CSA in the near future?( by near future I mean 10-20 years from now) San Deigo County borders the LA MSA so its not like its that far away from the LA area. What do you guys think?

[LASam]

About as likely as Philly being added to the NYC CSA. CSA has a lot to do with commuting patterns, and people don't commute from San Diego County to LA County.

[Count David]

Yeah, unless large scale commuting between OC and San Diego County begins, it won't happen.

[esmith143]

Not for as long as Camp Pendleton still exists.

[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

Does anyone see San Diego County being added to the Los Angeles CSA in the near future?( by near future I mean 10-20 years from now) San Deigo County borders the LA MSA so its not like its that far away from the LA area. What do you guys think?

...development patterns and commuting patterns determine that this would never happen.

Camp Pendelton exists, making sure development wouldn't ever happen along the coast.

It could physically connect inland along i-15, except that most of the I-15 corridor between Temecula and Escondido is a huge canyon, making widespread development impossible.

In addition, if you were working in LA, why would you live in SD if it really isn't that much cheaper?

[gwillyfromphilly]

Originally Posted by LASam

About as likely as Philly being added to the NYC CSA. CSA has a lot to do with commuting patterns, and people don't commute from San Diego County to LA County.

Actually Philly has a very good chance being added to New York CSA in the near future by way of Mercer County, NJ but that is a whole nother topic in itself.

On the main topic is there a decent commuting base between Orange County and San Diego County?

[esmith143]

Originally Posted by Lifeshadower

It could physically connect inland along i-15, except that most of the I-15 corridor between Temecula and Escondido is a huge canyon, making widespread development impossible.

That is a common misconception. The entire I-15 corridor from Temecula to Escondido is built out. It's just not obvious, because houses sit on large lots and usually just out of sight from the freeway. To engage in dense development, not only do you have to deal with hills and canyons, but you have to raze existing houses and rezone land to 8 dwellings/acre.

[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by esmith143

That is a common misconception. The entire I-15 corridor from Temecula to Escondido is built out. It's just not obvious, because houses sit on large lots and usually just out of sight from the freeway. To engage in dense development, not only do you have to deal with hills and canyons, but you have to raze existing houses and rezone land to 8 dwellings/acre.

Hmm, I didn't know that, but I guess it makes sense. Isn't that part of SD County where the majority of the avocado farms are? I know Fallbrook and Pala have a lot of the farms in the area, but not anywhere near I-15?

I guess I learn something new everyday.

[esmith143]

Originally Posted by Lifeshadower

Hmm, I didn't know that, but I guess it makes sense. Isn't that part of SD County where the majority of the avocado farms are? I know Fallbrook and Pala have a lot of the farms in the area, but not anywhere near I-15?

I guess I learn something new everyday.

There are some avocado farms too, yes. And some empty land. The first two miles along I-15 are, I think, part of Pechanga reservation, and there is a lot of vacant land in Pala reservation. So it's not completely built out, I guess I should have said mostly built out. My point is, it's not a vast stretch of empty land waiting for some enterprising developer that many people think it is.

The region west of I-15 and east of Camp Pendleton is particularly thoroughly built out, from Vista to Bonsall to Fallbrook to De Luz to Temecula without any large gaps.

Just look closely on Google Maps.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

The current "rules" regarding CSA operational definitions are based on an Eastern view of conurbations. Namely, the "constriction point" / "width of continuous development" rules. Those rules are based on conurbations located in places like the Atlantic Coastal Plain, The Piedmont, The Great Lakes and the Great Plains / Central Low Lands, where conurbations tend to take on the evenly spreading out in all directions format.

Here in the West, topographic and water barriers prevent these types of conurbations from forming. Here, conurbations tend to take on linear and dendritic formats. There are multiple points where a conurbation may neck down to one mile or less in width, and places where mountains / hills form an actual gap in the conurbation (unless you count the freeway / MTD/BART/etc line as part of the "conurbation"). We in the West get penalized by this, and our conurbations get artificially fragmented by the government statisticians.

So, I voted maybe, in the hope that a better formulation can be put together someday.