Even profitable firms fleeing California (Los Angeles, Santa Clarita: camp, closing, live in)

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by user_id

Umm....profitable firms leave California, as well as other states, every year. There are absolutely no details in this article, its a useless political piece.

Anyhow, they are moving their headquarters to Texas and this will have very little effect on California's economy. Most of their revenue is generated throughout the country and the the actual revenue generating activities in California won't be effected.

I think it would be really helpful if you "pro business" people actually knew about business, for example, that a national business in California doesn't pay California taxes on all its revenue...only the revenue generated in California. And in this case the company will still operate in California, only its headquarters is moving, so it will be subjected more or less to the same taxes and regulations that it was before and after relocation. So then what is the relocation about? More than likely Texas is offering them sort of tax deal...which is common for Texas since it has such poor internal business creation and can't depend on internal activity for business growth. Like the article said, if California was really so bad for business how exactly is the company doing just fine? This is really a story about a large company trying to twists state governments to provide it with tax subsidies at taxpayer expensive..... The funny part is that these companies have conservatives supporting them when their actions actually raise taxes on individuals... After all, if you give tax perks to corporations...who is left to picking up the bill?

I really don't see any reason why California should have offered tax perks (and hence subsidies from tax payers) to a company that basically moves junk around the country....it should instead focus on retaining and creating innovative businesses.

Step away from the punch bowl ... I like how you always claim California is not hurting and "everything is wonderful" while the economy in California collapsing before our eyes ...

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Zembonez

just wish there was some way to keep the Californistanians from coming here with them.

Sorry cowboy. You want the biz, you gots to put up with us all. (I'm sure you appreciate how I couched the post in Texese)

[Zembonez]

Originally Posted by Fontucky

Sorry cowboy. You want the biz, you gots to put up with us all. (I'm sure you appreciate how I couched the post in Texese)

Well thanks pardner. (see what I did there?)

The bit about not wanting the immigrants was a tad tongue in cheek. Sort of a play on the opposite side's constant swipes at Texas... ya know?

[Fontucky]

Same here.

[.highnlite]

Originally Posted by Don9

Don't shoot the messenger bud. If you don't like what a mainstream media source in California is telling you then write a letter to the editor of the Orange County Register. But if you support Darrell Steinberg's position then send him a big thank you letter with a red lipstick kiss at the end.

The bottom line is this article is just one of many that has been written about California's government and how they are destroying the state with their radical liberal agenda. On the contrary ... I don't see any articles complementing California's government politicians or the direction California is going. California is following Obama's agenda to the letter and in a national poll recently 75% of the people said that our country is heading in the wrong direction.

Even at best they can only destroy half the state, the other half is Federally owned. So a big chunk of what they can destroy is Los Angeles Metro, and who would have a problem with that?

[nullgeo]

Here Don, let's have some fun ... starting with the OC Register, since you like it so much:
In March of this year, OC Register, your favored source for this thread, published a story headlined:
"California Has the 3rd-Highest Start-up Activity in the U.S."
Calif. has 3rd highest startup activity in U.S. - Jan Norman on Small Business : The Orange County Register
This story talks about how during recessions with high unemployment, lots of folks start up new entrepreneurial ventures -- and how most subsequently fail.

Interesting. Now, 7 months later, your most recent OC Register story quotes FOX News as providing the figures that "2500 businesses have 'left' [or failed] [California]" (parenthesis mine) -- as your story goes on to say that "While a limited number of businesses go through the trouble of pulling up stakes and high-tailing it to Texas, Nevada or Arizona, many others just quietly go out of business." So, according to the OC Register, the period of losses quoted to justify the dramatic headline coincides with the recession, at which time unemployed people are starting up -- and failing at -- new businesses at an alarming rate ... and meanwhile CA start ups run at the 3rd highest rate in the nation.

Whew! Lot to sort through there that DIDN'T get sorted through, hoss. The OC Register is either entirely incompetent as a journalistic source --- ORRRRR: they have an agenda to support. I ain't sayin' which -- and I don't care. Only thing that matters is: this story sucks ... it is worthless.

If you have a point you wish to sell, then gather comparables to present such as:
how many businesses left the state for another state
how many simply failed
how many new start ups occurred during the same period
how many new businesses moved into the state during the same period
how many jobs were lost in the above
how many created in the above
and, of critical importance: how do the statistics compare with other states in the same period.

I am not going to do this for you, but that is how actual journalism works. Anything less is, well, horsepuckey.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Here Don, let's have some fun ... starting with the OC Register, since you like it so much:
In March of this year, OC Register, your favored source for this thread, published a story headlined:
"California Has the 3rd-Highest Start-up Activity in the U.S."
Calif. has 3rd highest startup activity in U.S. - Jan Norman on Small Business : The Orange County Register
This story talks about how during recessions with high unemployment, lots of folks start up new entrepreneurial ventures -- and how most subsequently fail.

Interesting. Now, 7 months later, your most recent OC Register story quotes FOX News as providing the figures that "2500 businesses have 'left' [or failed] [California]" (parenthesis mine) -- as your story goes on to say that "While a limited number of businesses go through the trouble of pulling up stakes and high-tailing it to Texas, Nevada or Arizona, many others just quietly go out of business." So, according to the OC Register, the period of losses quoted to justify the dramatic headline coincides with the recession, at which time unemployed people are starting up -- and failing at -- new businesses at an alarming rate ... and meanwhile CA start ups run at the 3rd highest rate in the nation.

Whew! Lot to sort through there that DIDN'T get sorted through, hoss. The OC Register is either entirely incompetent as a journalistic source --- ORRRRR: they have an agenda to support. I ain't sayin' which -- and I don't care. Only thing that matters is: this story sucks ... it is worthless.

If you have a point you wish to sell, then gather comparables to present such as:
how many businesses left the state for another state
how many simply failed
how many new start ups occurred during the same period
how many new businesses moved into the state during the same period
how many jobs were lost in the above
how many created in the above
and, of critical importance: how do the statistics compare with other states in the same period.

I am not going to do this for you, but that is how actual journalism works. Anything less is, well, horsepuckey.

Well done. Bashing CA to push a larger ideological and political agenda has gone beyond irritating to downright idiotic.

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

Even at best they can only destroy half the state, the other half is Federally owned. So a big chunk of what they can destroy is Los Angeles Metro, and who would have a problem with that?

Los Angeles Metro is already a cesspool. But I don't live in LA Metro or LA county for that matter.

[Fontucky]

Originally Posted by Don9

Los Angeles Metro is already a cesspool. But I don't live in LA Metro or LA county for that matter.

You moved?

[Vascodagama]

Originally Posted by nullgeo

Here Don, let's have some fun ... starting with the OC Register, since you like it so much:
In March of this year, OC Register, your favored source for this thread, published a story headlined:
"California Has the 3rd-Highest Start-up Activity in the U.S."
Calif. has 3rd highest startup activity in U.S. - Jan Norman on Small Business : The Orange County Register
This story talks about how during recessions with high unemployment, lots of folks start up new entrepreneurial ventures -- and how most subsequently fail.

Interesting. Now, 7 months later, your most recent OC Register story quotes FOX News as providing the figures that "2500 businesses have 'left' [or failed] [California]" (parenthesis mine) -- as your story goes on to say that "While a limited number of businesses go through the trouble of pulling up stakes and high-tailing it to Texas, Nevada or Arizona, many others just quietly go out of business." So, according to the OC Register, the period of losses quoted to justify the dramatic headline coincides with the recession, at which time unemployed people are starting up -- and failing at -- new businesses at an alarming rate ... and meanwhile CA start ups run at the 3rd highest rate in the nation.

Whew! Lot to sort through there that DIDN'T get sorted through, hoss. The OC Register is either entirely incompetent as a journalistic source --- ORRRRR: they have an agenda to support. I ain't sayin' which -- and I don't care. Only thing that matters is: this story sucks ... it is worthless.

If you have a point you wish to sell, then gather comparables to present such as:
how many businesses left the state for another state
how many simply failed
how many new start ups occurred during the same period
how many new businesses moved into the state during the same period
how many jobs were lost in the above
how many created in the above
and, of critical importance: how do the statistics compare with other states in the same period.

I am not going to do this for you, but that is how actual journalism works. Anything less is, well, horsepuckey.

The OC register is not my "favored source" and it really does not matter because again its the message that's of issue not the messenger. You are not a California resident but surly you read multiple news sources and know the situation California is in. If you are going to attempt to say business in California is not leaving because of the states anti-business environment then you would be disingenuous at best. And no, I'm not going to entertain your requests to research and present information in a format "you" would like ... you know what you can do with that request ... so if you want more information to counter then get off you lazy rear and do your own research.

I don't need a news story to tell me what's going on in California. I live it everyday. Why just last week my wife and I were driving to a restaurant and went through a commercial area with ton's of small to large businesses. This included a large Boeing complex. In the past two years that Boeing complex has laid-off ~60% of its employee's ... high paying jobs with good benefits. As we past other commercial buildings along the way we couldn't but notice lease sign after lease sign of commercial real estate that just a few years ago were mostly thriving businesses. This went on for miles and this is in an area that got hit the least with business closures compared to areas throughout LA county.