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Old 01-11-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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I'm comments are about California, haven't been to many "farmers markets" outside of California. But I'm not in an urban area.


Or you get to know a nice little fiction....
Looks urban to me, and they way you describe things it sounds like an urban mindset too..


I was trying to use the experience of say an LA farmers market, where people selling produce are "actors" and simply buying in bulk and reselling, verses say in Sebastopol where it is pretty obvious the person selling it is genuine...

Fiction? (Again that comment sounds like a jaded urban comment.) Do you look people in the eye when you talk to them do you shake their hand? Slow down try it... observe your environment, stop looking at all the superficial stuff.. See the person, Hear the person, I doubt you will be hoodwinked by a impostor, slick salesmen trying to sell broccoli for a fast buck! ....

It is a free country you can shop where you want, their is no shortage of mega chain supermarkets with lots of glitz and glamor with great packaging and marketing, and foods that look superficially perfect.. All cheaper than the that expensive apple with scabs on it at the farmers market...

How can that be? One has to be willing to look behind the scenes to find the answer..
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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The sellers at farmers markets are usually not illegals, indeed, they are usually not even Hispanic. Ironically the illegals doing the serious work manage to be relatively hygienic in comparison to those selling at farmers markets.
Got proof of that statement? Oh, just wondering ...
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But also, grocery stores have strong incentives to keep their supply changes in check......on the other hand sellers at farmers markets are just trying to make a fast buck.
Unlike Ralph's?
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Which is why we see tons and tons and tons of produce shipped in from Mexico? Even to compete with in-season local produce? Those tomatoes are being shipped for free? Altruism? Hot-air balloons? No, can't be, because: the only hot air here is ....
Thanks for the kind comments...

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As fuel and transportation prices creep up, the less efficient local and regional producer which create local and regional jobs can compete against the big international producers with higher transportation costs..

Yes I am oneangrytaxpayer too.... I don't like oil industry subsidies, which keep fuel costs down.. Little expenses like the 4 trillion dollars spent in Iraq, those bother me...and favor the big boys..
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Old 01-11-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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Gotta be out of your mind to buy the same stuff for six times more at vons or ralphs.

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Best places to get quality produce in San Diego?
Don't forget, at the supermarket you get a bonus, chemical fertilizers and pesticides, all courtesy of industrial scale commercial farming.

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Down with the multi national corporations... Down with chain stores...

Get behind small business... Support local with your pocketbook..[/QUOTE]

I agree with you whole heartedly, I says, with a thousand acres of industrial scale commercial vegies laced with fertilizers and pesticides. Fortunately we ship all that to Los Angeles, we eat from our garden.

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Yes, the eucs are really suited for the mesa. So, since it is sandy, we would need lots of organic matter for most veggies other that strawberries.

The canyons i was referring to are Carpenter and Corbet and the one leading up to Lopez Lake. The bottom land looks especially nice around Huasna road. I am surprised more of the open fields arent cultivated. I bet avocados would do very well out there. I am not sure what the cash crops are out there. I need to do a bit more research.

Thanks for your input.
Strawberries do well on the mesa, and their net is very high. The sand is not bad, but, it isn't bottom land either.

Carpenter and Corbett have been farmed for generations, but, the soil is not great, a lot of beans were grown out there, but today it is mostly large yard for large houses, and horses.

Huasna Road along Tar Springs Creek is very good, there is farmland for sale out there right now, the last parcel on the right as you head east, last crop I saw there was cilantro. We began farming out there in the early 1910's. But we don't farm there anymore.

Because of the market, right now, if the land is flat and fertile it is in crop. Not sure what fallow land you saw.

The valley out to Lopez is Arroyo Grande Valley, intensively farmed by the hayashi's and Ikeda's and Talley Farms.

Looks like you have been poking around a bit, any more questions, let me know.

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You have a knack for saying the obvious while ignoring the real issue.. Yes grocery stores try to source the cheapest products, but transportation costs are a major component to the aggregate product costs and hence they typically buy from local sources.

A farmers market in Los Angeles is going to be filled with produce grown north of LA in Ventura, Santa barbara, Kern etc counties so as far as LA is concerned that is "local". The grocery stores in LA will largely source produce, when available, from these places as well.
If terms can be defined to fit one's needs, then, anything is anything you want it to be. To call Kern County local to Los Angeles,, that took some work. We that is us, that is my family, have been shipping produce to Los Angeles for over 100 years, we do not consider ourselves local to Los Angeles.

Nice to think you are eating our vegetables, we thank you for your support
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Don't forget, at the supermarket you get a bonus, chemical fertilizers and pesticides, all courtesy of industrial scale commercial farming.
Well, who doesn't need all that. Plus, its only costs 6 times as much as other sources.

The last time I was in the vegetable area of one of the big 3 I about had a heart attack how high the prices were. I also wonder "how high" the people were shopping there when there is a Carnival market less than a mile away. Plus, in between is a huge farmer's market every Saturday that is also cheaper.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Don't forget, at the supermarket you get a bonus, chemical fertilizers and pesticides, all courtesy of industrial scale commercial farming.



I agree with you whole heartedly, I says, with a thousand acres of industrial scale commercial vegies laced with fertilizers and pesticides. Fortunately we ship all that to Los Angeles, we eat from our garden.



Strawberries do well on the mesa, and their net is very high. The sand is not bad, but, it isn't bottom land either.

Carpenter and Corbett have been farmed for generations, but, the soil is not great, a lot of beans were grown out there, but today it is mostly large yard for large houses, and horses.

Huasna Road along Tar Springs Creek is very good, there is farmland for sale out there right now, the last parcel on the right as you head east, last crop I saw there was cilantro. We began farming out there in the early 1910's. But we don't farm there anymore.

Because of the market, right now, if the land is flat and fertile it is in crop. Not sure what fallow land you saw.

The valley out to Lopez is Arroyo Grande Valley, intensively farmed by the hayashi's and Ikeda's and Talley Farms.

Looks like you have been poking around a bit, any more questions, let me know.


Good questions Dean trails...
Thank you for the insight highnlite
My thinking is to focus on smaller creek bottoms instead of big river plains for good soil.. Places with maybe 15 or 20 acres of good land with the balance in timber and or pasture...

Highnlite, what elevation is the fog line in the area?
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Looks urban to me, and they way you describe things it sounds like an urban mindset too..
What looks urban? This area isn't dense and there are many local farms. Is it a small red-neck town in the middle of no where? No....


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Fiction? (Again that comment sounds like a jaded urban comment.) Do you look people in the eye when you talk to them do you shake their hand?
I'm not sure what a "jaded urban comment" is, but yes sales people are often telling fictions and I find it safer to think of what they say as fiction rather than non-fiction.

Anyhow, as I said, there are many small farms around here and you rarely see them at the farmers markets. Its just not that profitable.

And as I said before, I'm just talking about farmers markets, I stop at places like this all the time:

Moorpark Farm Market

But that is a farm market.....a bunch different animal.


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How can that be? One has to be willing to look behind the scenes to find the answer..
How can that be? They are more efficient.... US grocery stores are masters at supply-chain management, on the other hand people running small farms often don't even understand basic business.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Got proof of that statement? Oh, just wondering ...

Unlike Ralph's?
No proof, just a personal observation. Working-class Hispanics whether in factories or the fields tend to be pretty clean in comparison to their non-Hispanic peers.

Yes, unlike Ralph's. Ralph's has been in business since 1873....and they are now owned by company that has been in business since 1883.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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We that is us, that is my family, have been shipping produce to Los Angeles for over 100 years, we do not consider ourselves local to Los Angeles.
Again...ignoring the real issue. Los Angeles, as you mentioned previously, doesn't have a lot of local farming and that is going to effect "farmers markets" just as well as grocery stores. That is, in both cases they are going to have to source from counties north of them.
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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Yes, i have been poking around the area trying to do my due diligence. I spoke to a realtor at South County and they gave me some info.

I suspect i will need a few animals for some on-site manure.

I took a tour of Talley and was impressed by the development but not so happy with their restrictions on agriculture. Big lots but they have to have conventional home landscaping. No vineyards allowed.

And the Huasna area is so beautiful out that way. Good land and seemingly affordable.
I saw the fallow land last year so it must be planted again. I will keep researching and looking. Love to "kick the tires" so to speak.

Thanks for the insights you have given us highnlite.
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