02-06-2012, 08:40 AM
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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It must be tough, being an atheist in California, a state with Catholicism in its DNA, and being "preached to" every time you look at a map.
I dunno, I see old pagan names acquired from the indios, newer pagan names acquired from the Catholicos. They are quaint and cute, and historical.
The ones I hate are developer names, like The Olive Orchard, buncha houses built on what once was an olive orchard. Or Porter Ranch, built on what was once a ranch. Etc.
02-06-2012, 11:27 AM
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WesternPilgrim
It must be tough, being an atheist in California, a state with Catholicism in its DNA, and being "preached to" every time you look at a map.
Heh ... funny
... you're obsessed, Pilgrim. What a myopic view of life and universe: to think that Catholicism is "in California's DNA" in any greater significance than any number of other historical realities.
The premise of your thread here is partially interesting: historical origins of California place-names ... great. But you had to go specify "Catholic" place-names. Why? To create yet another opportunity for your preaching and proselytizing.
You introduce the thread concept by using examples such as San Francisco -- and then proceed to add comment about how "
the radical Saint Francis of Assisi, an austere penitent ... would be horrified at the wickedness that is too often linked to this once great Catholic city . " And then you proceed with your bigotry campaign by turning from sexual innuendo to anti-Islamic rhetoric: "
San Juan Capistrano is named for the Franciscan warrior-monk whose fiery preaching converted thousands of sinners, and who is renowned for his valor in battle against the Mohammedans . California could use a saint like him today. "
"Tough" being an atheist? Not in the slightest. My life is quite pleasant without imaginary friends preaching guilt and shame at me. And my social and cultural commitment and deportment clearly hasn't suffered in the slightest for my freedom.
History is a fascinating subject, Pilgrim. Catholicism is part of history -- as such, it, and its influences, are also fascinating. Its trail of oppression tells a story truly not to be missed.
02-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Location: The Other California
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DNA?.............LOL!!!!!..
No, just part of the world that was invaded by the particularly brutal Spanish Conquistadors, who had a tendency to erase most everything native in an area they conquered. They also practiced the most extreme version of forced conversion in religion, as it was a very effective technique to debase any strength of or pride in native ways and practices. I believe the Spaniards take first prize for the number of advanced ancient civilizations they destroyed.
So many lies to refute, so little time. I don't mind ignorance, but ignorance masquerading as knowledge is vile.
Please document for me just one, single case of a forced conversion in California on the part of the Franciscan missionaries. Just one will do. The fact is there were no forced conversions because forced conversions are objectively invalid. This is Catholicism 101 and always has been. Like marriage, free consent is essential to the sacrament. There were abuses here and there,
but forced conversions were not one of them , and in fact the padres were often quarreling with the soldiers who were too ready to use force against the violence of the Indians.
As to the Spanish vs. the English colonizers, you have it exactly backwards. The English were much more brutal and the result was the virtual extinction of the Indians in North America. The Spanish, by contrast, had for their very goal the building of a new Indian civilization. They freely intermarried with them, raised families with them, and dedicated their lives to educating them.
02-06-2012, 01:56 PM
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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So many lies to refute, so little time. I don't mind ignorance, but ignorance masquerading as knowledge is vile.
Please document for me just one, single case of a forced conversion in California on the part of the Franciscan missionaries. Just one will do. The fact is there were no forced conversions because forced conversions are objectively invalid. This is Catholicism 101 and always has been. Like marriage, free consent is essential to the sacrament. There were abuses here and there, but forced conversions were not one of them , and in fact the padres were often quarreling with the soldiers who were too ready to use force against the violence of the Indians.
As to the Spanish vs. the English colonizers, you have it exactly backwards. The English were much more brutal and the result was the virtual extinction of the Indians in North America. The Spanish, by contrast, had for their very goal the building of a new Indian civilization. They freely intermarried with them, raised families with them, and dedicated their lives to educating them.
I will give you that about the English colonizers.... I take back saying they were "better" than the Spaniards.!.
To each their own on the word "forced".Indeed it is Catholicism 101...
.. Surely they did not attempt to leave native ways intact... None of them did..
I am done, quite honestly I can not celebrate any of the colonizers actions..
02-06-2012, 02:23 PM
Location: The Other California
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I am done, quite honestly I can not celebrate any of the colonizers actions..
Nothing wrong with an honest difference of opinion. However, it appears that you don't actually know what the colonizers did and didn't do in the first place, and therefore have no basis on which to form an opinion one way or the other.
I once sat next to a pretty young blonde on an airplane. She was 27 years old, fresh out of law school, and working for a California Indian tribe. She told me - I kid you not - that the California missions "had nothing to do with converting the Indians". I suppose she learned that in fourth grade when she did her mission project. CA public schools = Marxist propaganda.
02-06-2012, 03:48 PM
Location: Northern Colorado
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All of the mission cities have some historic name. Too many of which to list, but here are some others:
Pismo (derived from Pismu for tar in Chumash) Beach
Arroyo Grande-means big ditch
Atascadero-means mud hole
El Paso De Robles-The Passing of the Oaks
Oceano-Ocean
Cayucos-small indian canoes
02-06-2012, 05:27 PM
Location: Declezville, CA
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My favorite (and Jack Benny's): Cucamonga. IIRC, it's a Tongva place name for something to do with "a sandy place."
More Tongva-derived names:
Azuza
Cahuenga
Pacoima
Tujunga
Topanga
Malibu is a bastardization of "Humaliwo", which is Chumash for “where the surf sounds loudly.”
Thankfully, these names survived the brutality of the Spanish Catholics and subsequent invaders, unlike the people who originally spoke those words.
02-06-2012, 06:01 PM
Location: Declezville, CA
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Apparently I wasn't clear. "Unlike the people who originally spoke those words" was referring to surviving the brutality of the Spanish Catholics and subsequent invaders. It wasn't commentary on their warlike ways or peaceful nature.
I thought you had me on ignore because I'm a fellow vandal buddy of nullgeo.
02-06-2012, 06:15 PM
Location: The Other California
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Apparently I wasn't clear. "Unlike the people who originally spoke those words" was referring to surviving the brutality of the Spanish Catholics and subsequent invaders. It wasn't commentary on their warlike ways or peaceful nature.
I thought you had me on ignore because I'm a fellow vandal buddy of nullgeo.
I see. My mistake. It's just that the people who originally spoke those words
did survive - as a people, that is. Furthermore the Spanish suffered plenty of unprovoked brutality from the Chumash, so your mentioning Spanish brutality was simply gratuitous. As
this "revolutionary" website gloats:
"Few contemporaries Americans know of the widespread armed revolts precipitated by Mission Indians against colonial authorities. The last great mission Indian revolt occurred in 1824 when disenchanted Chumash Indians violently overthrew mission control at Santa Barbara, Santa Ynez and La Purisima.
Santa Barbara was sacked and abandoned while Santa Ynez Chumash torched 3/4 of the buildings before fleeing. Defiant Chumash at La Purisima in fact seized that mission and fought a pitched battle with colonial troops while a significant number of other Chumash escaped deep into the interior of the Southern San Joaquin Valley.
After 1810 a growing number of guerrilla bands evolved in the interior when fugitive mission Indians allied with interior tribes and villages. Mounted on horses and using modern weapons, they began raiding mission livestock and fighting colonial military forces.
Vastly overestimating their power, Mexican authorities authorized an additional 762 land grants by 1847. In reality the effectiveness of Indian stock raiders increased dramatically when American and Canadian fur trappers provided a lucrative market for purloined horses by the mid 1830′s.
Interior Mexican ranches were increasingly abandoned in the face of economic ruin by native stock raiding activities. Even Johann A. Sutter was reduced to begging the Mexican government to buy his fort following a mauling at the hands of Miwok Indians near the Calaveras in June of 1846."
I never said I was ignoring you: I was giving advice to another poster. And I said that before I knew there was such a thing as a literal "ignore" function in the forum settings.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)