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Old 02-02-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Why not just ban/tax obesity? The end game is not how much sugar you consume. It is how fat you are.

So everyone can go to the DMV every year and get weighed. If their BMI (or some other measure) is > 30, they pay a fine. Let people choose how to achieve a satisfactory body weight.

Oh wait! This would be somehow unfair! Some people are naturally fat! Some people have a thyroid problem! Certain ethnic gorups would be discriminated against! Rich people would just pay the fines and stay fat because they don't care!
ya ya ya... That is too logical of thinking or too much common sense....
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Why not just ban/tax obesity? The end game is not how much sugar you consume. It is how fat you are.

So everyone can go to the DMV every year and get weighed. If their BMI (or some other measure) is > 30, they pay a fine. Let people choose how to achieve a satisfactory body weight.

Oh wait! This would be somehow unfair! Some people are naturally fat! Some people have a thyroid problem! Certain ethnic gorups would be discriminated against! Rich people would just pay the fines and stay fat because they don't care!
Obviously, you didn't bother to actually take a few minutes to read the article.

Specifically, it states:

In fact, it may not be excess fat that causes diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and other manifestations of metabolic syndrome – there’s scientific evidence that suggests sugar itself is to blame. After all, 20% of obese people don’t have these diseases, but 40% of normal-weight people do.

So, according to the problem as identified by the researchers, your solution would be irrelevant.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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One report states sugar is as bad as alcohol and Tobacco, well alcohol has sugar so that should make it twice as bad. next we will be told, veggies really aren't not as healthy as we thought. OP, believe what you want, but no way is sugar as bad as alcohol or tobacco and I am not a huge sweets eater, in fact we use very little sugar and hardly ever get desserts even at restaurants. (Christmas cooking being the exception)

Nita
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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I see you've been busy pulling numbers out of your ass. Nice work troll.
BIG SIGH,,,,,,some folks just can't understand humor or sarcasm...Oh and quick to throw around the old troll label.

I am sorry you haven't been able to have any fun in your life,,how sad!
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Obviously, you didn't bother to actually take a few minutes to read the article.

Specifically, it states:

In fact, it may not be excess fat that causes diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure,non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and other manifestations of metabolic syndrome – there’s scientific evidence that suggests sugar itself is to blame. After all, 20% of obese people don’t have these diseases, but 40% of normal-weight people do.

So, according to the problem as identified by the researchers, your solution would be irrelevant.
I did read the article. But the preponderance of data today says obesity kills more people than smoking in the US today. It is an issue of calories. So instead of nibbling at the calorie issue, by taxing one ingredient or another, go for the big Kahuna - overweight!

In other words, more more, eat less.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Researchers said today, that sugar can cause cancer and other health problems at the same rate or worse than tobacco or alcohol. Now i take most "scientist's findings with a grain of salt (Dang, also bad for you!) but it appears this might be a way for California to get some additional tax money.

Snickers and Milkyways at $5 a bar. Coke and Pepsi would have to be $10 a can. And, dont even think of how much a Twinkie will set you back!

I can see Snackeasys sprouting up all over California....where is another Eliott Ness when you need him?
It's not sugar. It's high fructose corn syrup. This is the ingredient that is directly responsible for the upswing in diabetes (and cancer) that we have seen in the United States in the past 20 years. But since HFCS is a by-product of the corn industry, it's doubtful that we're going to see it go away any time soon. More likely, we will see sugar, which is the direct competitor of HFCS go away, so that the corn industry can continue to prosper from the misery of the people who consume their product.

Nobody said life was fair. That's why we have to educate ourselves to know what is good and what is bad and proceed accordingly. We have to take responsibility for our own health and not count on the government or anyone else doing it for us.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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It's not sugar. It's high fructose corn syrup. This is the ingredient that is directly responsible for the upswing in diabetes (and cancer) that we have seen in the United States in the past 20 years. But since HFCS is a by-product of the corn industry, it's doubtful that we're going to see it go away any time soon. More likely, we will see sugar, which is the direct competitor of HFCS go away, so that the corn industry can continue to prosper from the misery of the people who consume their product.

Nobody said life was fair. That's why we have to educate ourselves to know what is good and what is bad and proceed accordingly. We have to take responsibility for our own health and not count on the government or anyone else doing it for us.

20yrsinBranson
Exactly, including the California State Legislature.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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Its not just HFCS or sugar. Its every form of sweetner that we've become accustomed to eating in the last 30 years. You can't avoid by just skipping the sugar on top. Its in almost every food. Just check the carbs and subtract the dietary fiber. The rest is sugar as far as your insulin level is concerned.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Its not just HFCS or sugar. Its every form of sweetner that we've become accustomed to eating in the last 30 years. You can't avoid by just skipping the sugar on top. Its in almost every food. Just check the carbs and subtract the dietary fiber. The rest is sugar as far as your insulin level is concerned.
Bingo!
I would say nearly 80% of all processed foods contain HFCS or a soy by product... Those that do not believe me... Read labels in you home... If a food has a label it likely has corn sweetener, or soy added.
Canned tuna has soy added!
Sausages have HFCS, so do pickles!

Read your labels, then ask yourself if this is not "weird"..... Pretty much the fresh produce section is the only place free of HFCS, or Organic.

Again, the poor are being targeted by corporate marketing... Those that do not shop at trader joes or cook from scratch are the most susceptible and the targets of the aggressive competitive nature of industrial ag using added sweetener to sell more product...
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Just try to wrech my back of sugar from my cold sticky dead hand... I love sugar...In nature the concentration of sugar in natural food does not come close to the amount found in processed sugar...refined - or concentrated - It really does remind me of what happened to marajuanna// It at one time was a mild drug that enhanced the health of some people - now pot has been engineered (refined) to the point of being 17 times more powerful...hence it has become a poison - I concure that sugar - in it's refined state is also a poison - Leave it to the greed of man kind to take a substance and try to improve what is natural - they create - toxins...Greed generates bad health.
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