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Old 03-07-2012, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Guilty as charged. I was so rigid I eventually drove MYSELF nuts. lol I was a "raw local-only in-season only vegan with about 14 different food intolerances" foodie. lol

We won't even discuss the time it took me so long to select a product once (weighing all the pros and cons of each) that security came to check on why I'd been in that same spot for nearly 50 mins. lol

It was enough to drive anyone nuts. lol Eventually, I gave up being so strict, and downgraded to a more sane "vegetarian, that's usually vegan, but not always, and sometimes a raw foodie, too" foodie.

Having that flexibility in your life does wonders for your sanity. lol Life is too short to be so rigid.
Congratulations on liberating yourself from dietary tyranny.
I've been there myself.
By the way, when you do make it back to California (and perhaps you know of it), there's a wonderful raw food restaurant in San Francisco (actually, there's quite a few of them now including one in L.A.) called Cafe Gratitude.
Some of their food is mind blowingly (another new word ... that's 3 in the last week ) good.
And all but the cynical will get a kick out of their "shtick".
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:32 PM
 
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Congratulations on liberating yourself from dietary tyranny.
I've been there myself.
By the way, when you do make it back to California (and perhaps you know of it), there's a wonderful raw food restaurant in San Francisco (actually, there's quite a few of them now including one in L.A.) called Cafe Gratitude.
Some of their food is mind blowingly (another new word ... that's 3 in the last week ) good.
And all but the cynical will get a kick out of their "shtick".

lol Thank you! It was a glorious day, indeed! And not an easy habit to break. I can be overly strict with myself with certain things.

No, hadn't heard of that one yet! Thanks! Adding that to my list with Native Foods Cafe! Can't wait to get to both! We have a couple similar places here, but not many (by my standards). It'll be nice to have more options again.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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lol Thank you! It was a glorious day, indeed! And not an easy habit to break. I can be overly strict with myself with certain things.

No, hadn't heard of that one yet! Thanks! Adding that to my list with Native Foods Cafe! Can't wait to get to both! We have a couple similar places here, but not many (by my standards). It'll be nice to have more options again.
Me too (overly strict) although thankfully it is waning with age (bleccchhhhh) and wisdom.
And i think that there are definitely people who thrive on a totally raw food diet ... you know those "beautiful people" who just glow ... at least on the outside.
The problem with them though is the aforementioned fanaticism.
Many cannot accept that what works wonders for them is not necessarily the best approach for others.

I have a friend in Idaho who was one of those people who glowed until he had a stroke last year at the age of ... well, no one actually knows how old he is.
He was incredibly healthy up to that point ... or seemingly so.
He had not an ounce of body fat on him (and probably not enough fat feeding his brain btw) and had so much fire that he could function in sub freezing temperatures with none of the extra clothing that most of us need.
But since his stroke his health has been declining quickly.
My sense is (but i certainly don't know) that he was so depleted of certain nutrients (or is it fat? or just calories? i don't know) that he just didn't (doesn't) have the necessary surplus to handle the stroke or the other health issues that followed.

Here's my beautiful friend.
May he be blessed with healing.
And may at least one non-cynical person out there in cyber-space absorb some of his light.

Ananda: Dancing with Shiva - (http://www.plumtv.com/videos/sunvalley-ananda - broken link)



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Old 03-07-2012, 10:16 PM
 
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There are so many reasons for strokes occurring, there's really no way to know to assign failure to anything.

Clearly a beautiful guy, jaijai ... nice video ... nice message ... wishing him well, whatever that may be There's no point even assuming that our being here is the "right" place to be.
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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Old 03-07-2012, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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There are so many reasons for strokes occurring, there's really no way to know to assign failure to anything.

Clearly a beautiful guy, jaijai ... nice video ... nice message ... wishing him well, whatever that may be There's no point even assuming that our being here is the "right" place to be.
Absolutely true.
I do not know what caused his stroke and i know that strokes are gnarly and difficult to recover from.
Thanks for seeing and appreciating my friend.
I am sad that he is struggling / suffering.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Well just hold on a minute there ... we were discussing "propaganda", not culture.
You were, as well as I, using the word culture and the reason I started to talk about culture is because in mass societies one cannot separate propaganda from culture, that is, a mass society cannot exist unless built on a foundation of propaganda.

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and being subliminally influenced by special-interest propaganda, which is what I thought we were referring to. Propaganda being deliberately designed and placed, typically subliminal, messaging to influence behavior toward specious political, religious, or marketing goals.
When I say "propaganda" I'm referring to something more general than this... Propaganda defines the very way people think about the world....its not just something that attempts to influence their decision making. I'd refer to the latter as "marketing" which is just very surface level propaganda.

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As for "meaning", correct: how would mere mortals know? ...
So why talk about it? Regardless, I really don't follow what popular "futurists" say about technology. I, like many others, have an interest in developing AI and don't try to derive some sort of "ultimate meaning" from the activity......at the end of the day its just something to do.

Anyhow, its basically going to be a race between AI and bioengineering, but I think the AI will "win" because, as I mentioned before, the spiritual stuff provides cover for work in AI from liberal-types but not bioengineering. That is, due to their underlying religious position, they believe that AI can't achieve what it intends to achieve. On the other hand they are already up in arms about bioengineering and the "fun" possibilities have hardly started.

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Old 03-08-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Anyhow, its basically going to be a race between AI and bioengineering, but I think the AI will "win" because, as I mentioned before, the spiritual stuff provides cover for work in AI from liberal-types but not bioengineering. That is, due to their underlying religious position, they believe that AI can't achieve what it intends to achieve. On the other hand they are already up in arms about bioengineering and the "fun" possibilities have hardly started.

Interesting perspective... You may be correct.... I personally do not oppose some bio stuff from a religious perspective, simply feel we are not ready for it, since profit is the primary driver for our society, IMO we are too immature.. (Just because one is able to strike a match, does not mean one is old enough to play with them..)


It is funny, you should like AI, you come of sort of .. "mechanical" ( harsh, concise, methodical, not a lot of emotion) to me with your thought processes and posting style... (I do not mean that to be a poke, just an observation..)

When I think AI I think Japanese, they have done some very interesting work in the area... I do not follow it but remember being impacted by a National Geographic piece on it a while back.. IMO some cultures will be better than others at embracing AI than others..
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Quimper Peninsula
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Me too (overly strict) although thankfully it is waning with age (bleccchhhhh) and wisdom.
And i think that there are definitely people who thrive on a totally raw food diet ... you know those "beautiful people" who just glow ... at least on the outside.
The problem with them though is the aforementioned fanaticism.
Many cannot accept that what works wonders for them is not necessarily the best approach for others.

I have a friend in Idaho who was one of those people who glowed until he had a stroke last year at the age of ... well, no one actually knows how old he is.
He was incredibly healthy up to that point ... or seemingly so.
He had not an ounce of body fat on him (and probably not enough fat feeding his brain btw) and had so much fire that he could function in sub freezing temperatures with none of the extra clothing that most of us need.
But since his stroke his health has been declining quickly.
My sense is (but i certainly don't know) that he was so depleted of certain nutrients (or is it fat? or just calories? i don't know) that he just didn't (doesn't) have the necessary surplus to handle the stroke or the other health issues that followed.

Here's my beautiful friend.
May he be blessed with healing.
And may at least one non-cynical person out there in cyber-space absorb some of his light.

Ananda: Dancing with Shiva - (http://www.plumtv.com/videos/sunvalley-ananda - broken link)



Cafe Gratitude
Sending good vibes your way as always JaiJai...

Stroke gets me thinking of Kale... Yep Dark green stuff... Thicken your blood, one can be perfectly healthy, but with a genetic predisposition to stroke and have one.... (High consumptions of them should be balanced out based on your body..) Me my blood feels thick, I crave thinning things such as a shot of Bragg's vinegar in water every night, or fermented foods such as sauerkraut.. (Not that I eat that much dark green stuff year around, sour things just feel good for circulation and reducing joint pain..)

As we all know longevity is a dance between environmental and genetic factors...

So be healthy and bask in as much good as you can today and if you get a tomorrow do it again... Live each day to it's fullest..

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