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Old 03-12-2012, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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I have always, and will always, prefer 4H clubs over religious groups. I did both while in school and the religious groups scared the religion out of me. 4H accepted everyone, and taught amazing character building, responsibility, leadership and more all without preaching that if you don't belong to 4H you're doing something horribly wrong.

We also operated out of whatever building would allow us to meet and used the vast VAST majority of our money on scholarships, community betterment and leadership activities for youth without asking for anything in exchange. All of our leaders were volunteers and did it out of the goodness of their own hearts..unlike the churches in my area.

So yes, I probably won't ever support groups like this and will always lean towards groups that accept people as they are and that actually help the community.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara Counties
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An interesting take on the subject
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Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time
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