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Old 03-14-2012, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Mississippi Delta!
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I've read that a lot of people have moved out of California in the last few years. Who are they?
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:28 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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And Prop 8 favoritism doesn't necessarily = socially conservative. We can nitpick each issue if you'd like?
Prop 8 is a far more accurate barometer for social conservatism than voting GOP.

Neither is foolproof, but the former makes much more sense than the latter.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:35 PM
 
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And Prop 8 favoritism doesn't necessarily = socially conservative. We can nitpick each issue if you'd like?
Agree. It was a particular issue also involving racial demographics, and a strategically targeted bulldozer of a campaign that obfuscated its intent (convincing most people it was an education reform measure). Way too convoluted to be a broad indicator.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I'm a Southerner, and many people have opinions about what it means to be one. I ask those of you living in our largest state - what does it mean to be a Californian?
To answer your question, one has to recognize that the South has a much stronger regional identity than the West. The South wasn't settled earlier, but the present population of the South has a greater cultural continuity with the earliest settlers than we do in California. There are several reasons for this:

1. Most Californians are latecomers or the descendants of latecomers. The large population centers have a feeling of transience and rootlessness about them.

2. The South was populated in a time of greater social and religious cohesiveness. The West, not so much.

3. The culture of the West has been inordinately influenced by adventurers, outlaws, swindlers and rogues. And their women. Hence, there is a lingering stench of libertinism (and libertarianism), which doesn't lend itself well to social cohesiveness.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:40 PM
 
Location: SW MO Aux Arcs
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I've read that a lot of people have moved out of California in the last few years. Who are they?
Umm, people who left California for other places. My wife and I are two of them but I don't think we constitute "a lot."
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: GLAMA
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I've read that a lot of people have moved out of California in the last few years. Who are they?
You want their names?

Curmudgeon
Mrs. Curmudgeon
Others.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Mississippi Delta!
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I've read that a lot of people have moved out of California in the last few years. Who are they?
I wasn't asking their names. I was asking what sort of people were they - middle class? cultural conservatives? Something led them to believe that they no longer had a place in California.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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Agree. It was a particular issue also involving racial demographics, and a strategically targeted bulldozer of a campaign that obfuscated its intent (convincing most people it was an education reform measure). Way too convoluted to be a broad indicator.
It had nothing to do with racial demographics. You just don't like that racial minorities voted for it. Overwhelmingly.

And yes, same-sex "marriage" has plenty to do with education and you know it very well. It's all of a piece. Witness the SB-48 atrocity. You think that won't be interpreted as mandating that schools teach about same-sex "marriage" in California?
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: GLAMA
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I wasn't asking their names.
I know. Engaging sarcasm detector... 3,2,1, engage. Make it so.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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I wasn't asking their names. I was asking what sort of people were they - middle class? cultural conservatives? Something led them to believe that they no longer had a place in California.
Four categories: 1) Young families who can no longer afford to live here; 2) Businessmen who can't abide the stifling taxes and regulations; 3) Social conservatives fleeing the state's never ending assaults on morality and decency; 4) Those escaping the negative social effects of out-of-control illegal immigration.
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